Applying analytical thinking to today’s problems while trying to keep my check engine light off - respecter of realism and (pre-)progressive politics.
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I think the glee is reserved for the white liberals who artificially prop up these black scholars while attempting to alleviate rigorous standards for them at every turn, all under the guise of “helping.”
I always say white progressives push epistemic and moral relativism from a place of privilege. Your ancestors literally went to war over ideas and their application in creating the modern world, and you all benefited from this long process of intellectual refinement. Now that you’ve inherited those benefits, you want to remove the same organic developmental phase for black folks. It doesn’t work.
We don’t need your protection. Stop trying to insert yourselves into a political drama that doesn’t exist.
Some of those quoted are shocked at Sowell, but Hayek complimented Sowell’s book Knowledge and Decisions, which is essentially an extension of a Hayekian framework. He used to crank out rigorous economic reasoning in his prime — let’s not forget that his work on Marx was published in the AER (a top Econ journal) as a graduate student.
Lots of people now give Sowell flak because he started focusing on more philosophical economic approaches to clarify sociopolitical issues for a general audience. Some thinkers prefer teaching over quibbling with their peers in exclusive spaces.
I do think the OP is ridiculous for putting Milton below Sowell as a pure economist.
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I always share this part of my intellectual journey with new followers. My goal isn’t just to “bash” anyone in a vacuum, but to acquaint black people (or anyone else interested) with clear reasoning on a range of social issues and a strong desire to maintain the basic epistemic standards needed for meaningful/productive dialogue:
“In my own case, I’ve probably always possessed a decent capacity for abstraction, but it existed in an unstructured and unfocused way until I bumped against people from academic backgrounds. These people forced me to structure my thinking to participate in their conversations. They were mainly white and non-black American graduate students, but they didn’t bring out the kid gloves and let me get away with sloppy or emotional reasoning.”
I’d distinguish between their capacity for reasoning and the reasoning they actually possess or display.
In my own case, I’ve probably always possessed a decent capacity for abstraction, but it existed in an unstructured and unfocused way until I bumped against people from academic backgrounds. These people forced me to structure my thinking to participate in their conversations. They were mainly white and non-black American graduate students, but they didn’t bring out the kid gloves and let me get away with sloppy or emotional reasoning.
And back then I was heavily incentivized to learn the laws of logic, proper epistemic attitudes and all of that, because I was mainly trying to win them over to Christ. This helped me to be RECEPTIVE to the intellectual capital I was being exposed to in that group — people often think mere exposure is enough, but it isn’t. @nashintasapaino and @eyolab were a big part of my refinement, and can testify to my growth in this area.
So when I see black folk stuck in a web of poor reasoning and failing to understand very basic things, I don’t automatically attribute that to inherent limitations on their reasoning capacity, but to a likely lack of motivation to look inward and structure/strengthen the abstract reasoning ability they already possess.
Many of these attitudinal intangibles are prematurely dismissed in discussions on IQ and the like, but I think it unwise to exclude parts of human behavior just because they aren’t as easily measured atm.
I’m sure white/asian parents have been quietly giving the talk to their kids about being “mindful of their surroundings” when in mixed company due to violence, but I’m sure they are just going to start flat-out telling them not to befriend or interact with “safe” black folks as well.
This is what happens when you weaponize your racial fragility in a way not at all proportional to the offense in question.
Again, even from a point of self-interest, it is silly to isolate yourself from high-capital populations. Many black kids who truly integrate in mixed peer groups make excellent connections and develop a broad occupational network largely unavailable in insular, all-black peer situations.
This is literally one of the benefits of diversity that the left tends to overlook — a good kid from across the tracks finding mutual interest with a kid from a well-to-do family of a different ethnic group. They form an authentic friendship, and the less fortunate friend can then quietly observe superior cultural values/behavioral patterns of his friend’s family while figuring out a way to implement those values in his own life.
No, that makes too much sense. The left would rather black folks paint themselves into a corner so they can profit off of unending and forced political conflict.
A CBS Mornings Exclusive: The University of Mississippi freshmen who captured the viral video of two white students making monkey gestures and sounds outside their apartment door speak out for the first time. The students and one of their mothers tell @Jerickaduncan how they feel now that one of the students involved has voluntarily withdrawn from the school.
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Yawn. I’m pretty sure you are white or didn’t grow up in the black community.
Yes, a larger proportion of black children come from broken homes, in more violent neighborhoods, and with parent(s) not versed in capital, either physical or mental. We should most certainly be tying into the knowledge from better communities.
This is not just my opinion.
Some of you think beneficial diversity is an uptight, preppy white gal learning the latest hip-hop dance or trying a birria taco from a food truck. This is silly.
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To be fair, this is partly a symptom of how physically large the neighborhoods are in the South.
The nicer black areas don’t have the population density or infrastructure to support distinctive commercialization on every corner like NYC or some other coastal areas and become their own things.
That said, there is a pervasive trend in the community where many young, wealthy black folks want to stay in contact with all aspects of blackness under the guise of “loving my people.”
It’s a shame, because the well-to-do and safe neighborhoods scattered throughout SW Atlanta/South Fulton are damn near the majority of it.
We just don’t intentionally police our broader community the same way asians or whites do, so people have a tendency to equate very unproblematic black areas with the few hot districts that spill over into the common areas of the “west side.”
As for poor white areas being statistically safer, I think this can be a bit misleading. Most would choose a holler in WV/AL/KY over them. I’ll attach a post explaining my reasoning.
Black people are so used to living with dysfunction. Where did this mindset come from? You can live in the wealthiest black community and still have a higher crime rate than the poorest white community.
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“And before someone says, “But they aren’t identical because blacks have a much higher crime rate,” this objection sidesteps the issue and falls short on common-sense analysis.
For one, the dysfunctional whites in question typically do not live in large metro areas, concentrated in high-population-density neighborhoods within a few miles of some of the wealthiest and most important people and institutions in the world. Both groups can share the same poor cultural values without those values manifesting in the same way. What incentive is there to rob your poor neighbor in the holler?”
Please read and watch the video in the quoted tweet. Ghetto whites are real and influenced black folks in the antebellum South.
While I think @JohnHMcWhorter slightly overstates Sowell’s thesis in his recent post, most of the naysayers replying to him are simply in denial about the explicit influence and connection between Scots-Irish culture and African American cultural history.
And before someone says, “But they aren’t identical because blacks have a much higher crime rate,” this objection sidesteps the issue and falls short on common-sense analysis.
For one, the dysfunctional whites in question typically do not live in large metro areas, concentrated in high-population-density neighborhoods within a few miles of some of the wealthiest and most important people and institutions in the world. Both groups can share the same poor cultural values without those values manifesting in the same way. What incentive is there to rob your poor neighbor in the holler?
Secondly, many lifelong urbanites who discuss these issues seem unaware of how true rural areas are actually policed. Unincorporated areas in places like West Virginia or Alabama aren’t patrolled by a city officer whose precinct is just a few blocks away. Instead, they are generally policed more reactively by a sheriff who has to drive miles between incidents, throughout a whole county. Add to this the fact that the threat of political backlash for under-policing is very low, due to the economic homogeneity of rural areas — mostly all working class.
In the cities, the wealthier and business classes make sure the police “act right,” or they risk losing funding. Just a few things off the top of my head.
Not to mention, Sowell lists several things that explicitly go back to the lower classes of the British isles that people mistake for black culture, like saying ‘Ax’ for ask and calling hog innards ‘Chitlins.’ So even if you have trouble seeing the specific style of cultural violence being a transfer from the white lower class, it’s undeniable that there was an overall cultural influence from these whites to black folks — and, honestly, why wouldn’t those who came over as slaves try to adopt, in a completely culturally foreign land, any culture from their immediate surroundings?
I’d even add a joke about the Hatfields and McCoys serving as a feudal model for urban gangs, but you get my point.
Before I looked at the caption, I thought this was India.
Honestly, this is why I encourage whites to bring back level 5 racism… at least!
Like, not white mobs with pitchforks or anything, but the old uncompromising white guy yelling “Speak English clearly or get back to your damn country” in some deep hillbilly accent which is so strong it makes his very complaint ironic.
We used to laugh at those guys saying the most ridiculous things about losing their country, but there was a nugget of truth in how they felt. That mentality is far more effective at preserving good things and using social pressure to keep nonsense away.
I agree partially. The city is built in a way where nicer black neighborhoods aren’t self-contained.
You can live quietly on Enon Rd, with all black neighbors, but the common areas (stores, gas stations) in closest proximity to you are filled with “unsafe” people — many of the people from quiet areas hate going to Camp Creek or Campbellton for things.
This isn’t my perspective or those in my family, but I’ve talked to plenty of elders around SW/South Fulton who barely like going to the strip malls most available to them.
I don’t think black ppl who move to John’s Creek hate their own, but more like they acknowledge that many ppl in wealthy black areas are too comfortable “having the hood around” them.
This is literally what most black people scream happened to Nolan Wells, just swap the races.
To act like they are being consistent when called out, they will say “we don’t care because the black boys are being charged” when really they just don’t care unless they can weaponize black victimization for political or social gain.
Social media is the worst thing to ever happen to us. It just highlights the crime and shameless moral double standards we exhibit to a high degree.
What makes this even worse is that while this case is going on, black commentators have now begun whining about white college girls making monkey noises at a ring camera.
Do you all really think white people are going to continue to care about low-level racial offenses when they can now see the severity and frequency of your racial crimes against them?
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Explanation for some of the dishonesty on here:
xitter.gq/analyticbs4u/status/21…
Responses like these are indicative of a very serious issue.
I mentioned in my post the other day that when you only evaluate truth in light of how it can be utilized for some social end, not as something we discover in the world independent of identity/desired outcome, then you lose the mechanism that coordinates society across different backgrounds.
Being truth-oriented is a precondition for order in large, diverse societies.
As it stands, many black people are only concerned with evaluating social truth-claims through a very narrow ideological supposition, one that only permits one direction for victimization and almost never allows for black guilt, unless the interaction is between two black people.
This poster is so deeply couched in a narrative that he lives in a parallel social reality from those primarily concerned with the actual truth.
This psychological blindness wasn’t always this pronounced. I hypothesize that the decentering of a (universal) God, one who punishes incorrect beliefs, secretly dulls the motivation for truth-seeking. Religion seemed to serve as a unifying mechanism in past generations.
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Responses like these are indicative of a very serious issue.
I mentioned in my post the other day that when you only evaluate truth in light of how it can be utilized for some social end, not as something we discover in the world independent of identity/desired outcome, then you lose the mechanism that coordinates society across different backgrounds.
Being truth-oriented is a precondition for order in large, diverse societies.
As it stands, many black people are only concerned with evaluating social truth-claims through a very narrow ideological supposition, one that only permits one direction for victimization and almost never allows for black guilt, unless the interaction is between two black people.
This poster is so deeply couched in a narrative that he lives in a parallel social reality from those primarily concerned with the actual truth.
This psychological blindness wasn’t always this pronounced. I hypothesize that the decentering of a (universal) God, one who punishes incorrect beliefs, secretly dulls the motivation for truth-seeking. Religion seemed to serve as a unifying mechanism in past generations.
Lol people would rather this be the norm than admit that traditions discouraging loose sex hinted at something deep about the psychology of humans.
No matter what they profess in neutral conversations, most women behave this way after giving you their body if there is no corresponding investment of emotion or resources.
Even if this particular text thread is fake, this is still a very real thing.
(Attaching longer post in comments)
Relevant:
xitter.gq/analyticbs4u/status/21…
This is probably going to come off as a bit moralistic, but oh well. That’s the point.
Puritans were right to fear secularization, worrying about the effects secular music and film .
A big part of what made Puritans so successful in establishing productive communities and shaping the moral framework for the modern world was their belief in moral knowledge — the idea that moral beliefs/behavior can be right or wrong in objective terms.
What is the moral quality of a society but the moral attitudes and activity of the individuals that constitute it? There is no positive moral direction that exists in the air irrespective of the people who possess the capacity to direct it.
I assume this is why so many Puritans encouraged individuals to cultivate their moral faculties and live in a very morally intentional way.
Maybe I’m getting old, but as I look around, I see women whose wardrobes consist of clothing that always reveals half (or more) of their body, and men who are red-pilled, worried about not giving more for less than what her last man received.
I promise you, worthwhile men are never going to truly respect and really invest in half-dressed, outwardly sexual women. If strong men consider marital investment risky and only focus on ways to get sex more easily than her last man, you will surely run into deep societal problems.
The solution isn’t to force people to try to ignore the reflexive parts of their primal psychology, but to acknowledge that these deep instincts will always be there and implement a social strategy that properly regulates them and minimizes short-sighted pleasures for more effective ends.
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Yawn. Sub-Saharan Africa was super isolated from the rest of the world, unlike the relevant parts of Europe.
Besides, the “civilization” many white people like to flex on here has only existed for a very short period of the time people have occupied Europe. Like barely 5% of that timeline. There are lots of variables and contingencies that have to be met for things like Western civ to emerge (not just muh IQ), so let’s not be silly.
And even looking at things intraracially, we can see how certain segments of Europeans excelled over other sets of Europeans in close proximity at particular points in history. This has everything to do with ideational contingencies, like the church dissolving intensive kinship lifestyles (collectivism) in some areas and enabling some individuals to form voluntary associations, encouraging these particular Europeans to produce value (skills and theory of mind) for strangers outside of their “tribe.”
Moreover, widespread literacy seems to be accidental in a way. This only happened because of challenges to Catholicism and Protestants emphasizing a “personal relationship with God,” which motivated many to learn to read the Bible for themselves. We can literally measure the explosion of literacy in Protestant Europe vs. Catholic regions. Again, mere IQ isn’t a sufficient condition here.
Some of you act like greatness just emerged from some innate attribute in all Europeans, all at once. This is 4chan nonsense.
Picking on low-hanging fruit. This white nationalist move you are doing is getting pathetic. It’s anti-intellectual and reactionary.
“Lol, you were only able to pick cotton after you were forcibly imported to a foreign land with an unknown way of life.” What an own 😐
Black men also fought and participated in the Revolutionary War during a time when they were barely recognized as people.
That aside, you need to direct your anger toward the white social architects (liberals) who interfered with black development during the most vulnerable phase of our cultural evolution into a competitive (Western) world.
Not only did they do this, but they are the ones who initially legitimized and stamped anti-white historical narratives, placing them front and center in media and schooling for black people to consume with no alternative narrative propagated. These are the people who rigged the game against their racial kin in favor of black folks having undeserved favor at your most cherished institutions.
Even looking at Europe, your elected white leaders imported millions of unskilled people while incentivizing them to be the worst kind of migrants and left natives to direct anger in the wrong place.
Check your own fucking people. Willfully voting and handing over their own land while the local dissidents, such as yourself, never truly give a proportional and appropriate response to their madness.
You’d rather joke on ignorant black posters while your civilization fades away.
Maybe you should learn a thing or two from brute black men on how not to be an indirect pussy.
