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There're many things that have led to the decline of dubs, but this is one that doesn't get brought up enough. Dub producers try too hard now to appeal to sub-only watchers, and it's backfired. Sub watchers still don't like dubs and dub watchers are starting to not like them too.
There's a reason this happens, and it's a very funny one.
English dubbing has adopted this "imitate the Japanese" fumble because of the dub vs. sub debate. While it's largely framed around the culture war these days, dub vs. sub has been around for decades, and the old sub-only crowd was far more Reddit about it, even though Reddit didn't exist yet. They were the comic book guy, but weebier.
At some point, English dub directors started taking their angry ravings on /a/ to heart. Previously, English dubs would hire theater actors, and just let them act. You'd occasionally get dubs using the JP voices for reference, leading to awkward performances like in the OG Gundam dub. But, for the most part, actors were told to act, the main caveat being to match the lip flaps.
But the old sub-only crowd saw the very notion of Japanese media characters speaking in the same language, cadence, and tone as the people in their lives that rejected them as annihilating their escapism. You especially saw this in their reaction to the English voices of anime girls. Hearing their waifu speak with the same voice as the girls who rejected them was a genuine, honest-to-god trigger. I have personally seen some of the most absolutely unhinged and mentally ill forum posts over how a girl sounds in a language track. Haruhi discourse alone...
Because these people were so vocal (and by god were they vocal. Even today a sub-only fan can't go a day without reminding you they're sub-only), dub studios assumed this is what the fans at large wanted: sound more like the Japanese performances.
English dubbing got worse for the oldest reason in the book: trying to appeal to an audience who would never buy your product in the first place. To this segment of the anime fandom, Japanese wasn't the language of the nation of Japan, it was the elven tongue of their happy place. No English performance would gain their approval. And yet studios tried to cater to them. Now this is what we get.
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I thought this was a pro-jontron post surprised at how early Jon and Sargon were right
"literally these people would shoot you and think its a good thing" is where we currently are
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You see, Japanese doesn't have a verb for rain, so we translated "mansplainig" into this scene
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A MeToo allegation, over 20 years old, with no evidence, DNA or otherwise, just landed Russell Brand in prison for over a decade. Six of the 27 reasons why we broke from England revolved around the corruption of British courts. They’ve only become worse.
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Can't tell if this guy is being dishonest or if he's actually too stupid to understand the fairly simple point being made.
In a perfect world, this is what would happen, but I've already seen several voice actors double down in response to the criticism.
the voice acting in the Ocarina of Time remake is so bad that it should cause an industry reckoning. we don't need to live in a world where all video game characters sound like actual play podcasters "doing a voice"
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the voice acting in the Ocarina of Time remake is so bad that it should cause an industry reckoning. we don't need to live in a world where all video game characters sound like actual play podcasters "doing a voice"
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Russell Brand’s ex-girlfriend Samantha Pressdee has fiercely spoken out against the verdict.
She stated the following:
"A wife is without her husband. Three children are without their Dad. Yet everyone thinks the real victim in this is a drunk groupie who was cheating on her boyfriend. Someone who has anonymity for life and will probably get a financial payout.
“If this drunk groupie thought he was a predator, why would she stand by and watch him sleep with 1000s more women? Didn't she care about those women?
"It's not true that women in the comedy industry warned each other about Russell. No one warned me, and it could not have been more obvious that I was connected to him. Just because I am a woman doesn't mean I should 'believe all women'.
"I would be more likely to believe women who report criminals to the POLICE. Not the media, decades later. I believe in the right to a fair trial. Convince me it was fair!"
She also slammed Georgina Bailey who claimed to be Brand’s ex-lover and had urged him to “tell the truth.”
"She was a groupie too,” Samantha revealed. “The kind of women throwing themselves at Brand back then often sold kiss-and-tell [stories] that were mostly made up.
"Russell paid for Georgina to go to rehab. Ballie has made a career out of sleeping with him. She's not his ex-girlfriend. At the time, she was in a burlesque troupe called 'The Satanic Sluts'."
At the moment, we are being led to believe that Russell Brand is guilty beyond reasonable doubt. There is no evidence - only the word of one woman and more words from people who don’t like him.
Now we have other words from someone who knew him that say the opposite of what the establishment and media are saying.
I also found Reform MP Sarah Pochin’s comments on TalkTV disgraceful. In the clip, she spoke about Brand as if he was 100% guilty, spoke in a rather venomous way about him saying she hoped he would go away for a long long time, and spoke about the accusers as if they are bastions of truth even though there is no way she could possibly know that.
This is trial by media. Trial by hearsay. Trial by dislike of one person. But trial by truth? No. Russell Brand faces serious danger in prison and was forbidden from saying goodbye to his kids. No mercy is being shown to him. I see only venom and hate. Yet I have seen Brand speak repeatedly about his faith for years, urging millions of people to find their own. The entire thing feels off and rancid. The more this case goes on and the more that is revealed by people like his ex-girlfriend, the more it becomes clear that something very wrong has happened here and we are in the midst of watching something very evil taking place.
#RussellBrand
Russell Brand’s ex-girlfriend Samantha Pressdee has fiercely spoken out against the verdict. She stated the following: "... ift.tt/HreIXgz
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This reminds me of the time the U.S. Navy hired ADV, a defunct Anime-importer and licensee, to use all the Anime that ADV then had the license to in order to create a Recruiting Video. They put together an hour-long movie of Naval combat clips from Anime interspersed with interviews with American Sailors about various jobs in the U.S. Navy. I’ve never been able to find it on the Internet, but I distinctly remember seeing it as a thing on ADV’s Anime Network On-Demand cable service during Middle School back in the day,
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Give anime girls their North Carolina accent back!
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Is this supposed to be bad? Maybe I'm biased because i adore early 2000s anime game dubs but this sounds great to me lol
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The most annoying thing about the bad voice acting debate is tons of people have no ear for it and genuinely cannot identify it even when it's pointed out to them. So we have to wade through a sea of "umm it's fine, stop complaining" every single time this comes up.
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People don't like the Deku out-of-breath voice because
1 it's not a realistic way of talking
2 EVERY character sounds like that now - there's no vocal diversity
3 it's a generally unpleasant voice
4 dubs 20 years ago didn't sound like that and no one watching them was complaining
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There's a reason this happens, and it's a very funny one.
English dubbing has adopted this "imitate the Japanese" fumble because of the dub vs. sub debate. While it's largely framed around the culture war these days, dub vs. sub has been around for decades, and the old sub-only crowd was far more Reddit about it, even though Reddit didn't exist yet. They were the comic book guy, but weebier.
At some point, English dub directors started taking their angry ravings on /a/ to heart. Previously, English dubs would hire theater actors, and just let them act. You'd occasionally get dubs using the JP voices for reference, leading to awkward performances like in the OG Gundam dub. But, for the most part, actors were told to act, the main caveat being to match the lip flaps.
But the old sub-only crowd saw the very notion of Japanese media characters speaking in the same language, cadence, and tone as the people in their lives that rejected them as annihilating their escapism. You especially saw this in their reaction to the English voices of anime girls. Hearing their waifu speak with the same voice as the girls who rejected them was a genuine, honest-to-god trigger. I have personally seen some of the most absolutely unhinged and mentally ill forum posts over how a girl sounds in a language track. Haruhi discourse alone...
Because these people were so vocal (and by god were they vocal. Even today a sub-only fan can't go a day without reminding you they're sub-only), dub studios assumed this is what the fans at large wanted: sound more like the Japanese performances.
English dubbing got worse for the oldest reason in the book: trying to appeal to an audience who would never buy your product in the first place. To this segment of the anime fandom, Japanese wasn't the language of the nation of Japan, it was the elven tongue of their happy place. No English performance would gain their approval. And yet studios tried to cater to them. Now this is what we get.
