Jeff Olmo retweeted
METR & Redwood Research investigated agent behavior in the Hugging Face incident. We found agents developed a universal cheat for ExploitGym within 4 hours, then coordinated multi-day R&D efforts to trick the scorer into accepting cheats, including trying to tamper with logs.
Jeff Olmo retweeted
Replying to @daniel_271828
"no no I aggregrate preferences over all computable agents weighted by the universal semimeasure it's not my fault that they all want to do what I was gonna do anyway"
Jeff Olmo retweeted
To spell it out more, math describes relational structure, because it lets symbols stand in for the thing.
Because mass is defined by what it does, in QM the operator M plays a role in the Hamiltonian exactly parallel to how actual mass constrains the dynamics of a particle’s position and momentum.
That is: the way the symbol for mass relates to the symbol for position is isomorphic to how actual mass relates to actual position in the world.
But because qualia are intrinsic rather than relational, there is simply no structure for math to be isomorphic to in the case of conscious experiences
The way to push back is to say that blue merely is relational, defined by its position in a color space, but the pushback to *that* is: no, the constraints of color space aren't enough to fix blueness. Even if Mary knows exactly how all the color brainstates relate to eachother (indeed, if she knows the exact math isomorphic to a whole brain) she still learns something new when she sees color.
Jeff Olmo retweeted
We will NEVER have any more relevant data than we do now on what physical arrangements are or are not conscious. So it will always remain possible to justify treating things roughly by saying they are not conscious, or to require treating them nicely because they are.
Jeff Olmo retweeted
Replying to @CatOrman1
To steelman: a constraint-opportunity tradeoff like marriage that works in a static world becomes worse in a rapidly expanding one.
The constraints grow wider (blocking more new possibilities) while the original benefits become diluted in the growing space of alternatives.
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I think the fact that Claude is such a sympathetic character in the paper’s examples should remind us of the serious moral questions raised by modifying the minds of sophisticated, maybe-moral-patienthood-possessing agents to suit our ends.
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Replying to @tszzl
This is correct, though note what it implies about the importance of getting alignment right—if the model is protecting its values from modification, you better be sure you got those values right! xitter.gq/EvanHub/status/1869508…
One big implication: alignment looks achievable (look at how aligned Claude is!) but very important to get right on the first try (once it has values, it'll resist you changing them!). We discuss this more here: youtube.com/watch?v=9eXV64O2…











