Namor has massively inferior showings he’s not on her level. He consistently struggles with street tier to mid tier characters. Writers don’t narratively have him performing her feats for a reason
There’s also a reason she was narratively amped. If a writer wanted to include Namor to a street level team. They’d just do it without an explanation. He doesn’t perform those insane cosmic showings she does.
If it’s BP and a Legacy exploration tie-in with the mantles of BP and Sorcerer Supreme would be really dope 👀
Carol has ingrained combat senses. She’s basically genetically programmed to be combat proficient due to her Kree DNA and this on top of her actually having combat training through the military and a secret service division.
She also has a 7th sense that warns her about incoming danger as well. Not as prominent or brought up as Spidersense Ofcourse but it’s there and made a come back in her last mini.
This is a bunch of character jobbing to Spiderman not a company standpoint narrative. I don’t know how this is a hard concept for anyone to grasp.
You read any Marvel encyclopedia Spiderman is 2 if not 3 tiers below the powerhouses. Marvel as a company doesn’t present Spiderman as a Thor or Hulk level character. Singular comics where a writer jobs out characters aren’t proof that he is.
That’s my whole starting discussion point of this post.
Which obviously a lot of this is outdated but this is what I mean as consistent portrayal.
I gave you one instance of her closing a black hole with her energy powers which is what is her strength and speed that’s being ran off, there’s an instance as well in the same series where she punched out of one.
I gave you a whole link with these showings for you to go through them. Instead of being worried about replying you should of just used that as a chance to do your research lol
This shouldn’t even be a discussion. Yes she’s massively above Spider-Man in power
Not trying to spam you but I missed an opportunity to send this video scene, and I’m motivated to come back and do that 😂
In all seriousness difference of opinions no hard feelings
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Carol has a showing of speeding up to a time traveling ship that was outside the time stream. Showings of punching out of a black hole, ignoring a black hole and having a black hole collapse on her.
Do you really think writers believe a base Spiderman operates with those showings in mind?
Writers ignore levels characters operate at to tell a story. It’s off putting to me because it creates perceptions like yours where people piggyback character to levels where writers wouldn’t even suggest they’re at.
I’m not referring to just Red Hulk though. There were actually nukes in the story that were presented as threats to the characters with no justification on the “why” you keep dancing around that.
Superman and Wonder Woman range story to story to. That scan doesn’t prove anything. In one comic they can be suggested to be throwing planetary strikes in another their life could be ironically to this conversation be threatened by a nuke.
Your whole argument is based off characters always operating at prior feats to any story. That isn’t the case. The sniper bullet knocking out Thorn should of highlighted that point
I mean when a story tells us that a nuke is threatening a country, and these same characters that can withstand planetary attacks are struggling with said nuke.
I’m not going to assume the nuke is planetary because planetary + characters are struggling with it. It’s just a low showing which should be a logical take.
By your logic these are examples of planetary to universal damage being done because it’s harming characters with those feats.
Universal truck, universal sniper bullet, universal steam roller. All of this is as silly as claiming that this story was beyond the scope that we literally seen it told in. You’re creating a fan fiction off other stories to upscale a story that wasn’t being depicted at that level.
She has a showing of also flying off into space at faster than light speed off the narration when the Cavorite crystals blasted off. Characters underperform a lot especially around street level characters. This isn’t anything new to comics.
Some of these people make arguments, that would assume Spider-Man is Hulk level just because writers put out a story with him knocking out The Hulk. It’s just The Hulk underperforming.
Unless we think this is a Hulk level truck
Show where Namor got hit by power that was above a binary star? Again your chainscaling and creating fantasy fanfiction ideas that are presented in the pages of a book to fit your perception of where a character exists.
The fact Carol is given a story where she’s struggling with nukes is the point. There’s stories where Hulk is struggling with infrastructure. No writer is writing Namor withstanding planetary forces lol. That’s a fanfiction your creating in your head as cope that he doesn’t have those showings
Undone isn’t even in the scans you posted lol. Thats omen. You should actually read the stories so you understand what your saying lol
These are different characters. This multiple responses in of you showcasing you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Undone also spawned out of Genis as a gateway. Carol was weakened for most of this storyline.
Makes complete sense, characters range for the story that’s being told. Colton is struggling with nukes, while beating up Carol that’s a poor performance for Carol.
When Carol has showings of punching out of and ignoring black holes. That would illustrate her depiction in Armageddon isn’t her limit, but is her being limited.
Not to mention she has a whole different form of power that was completely ignored in the event among several of her other abilities. If Colton wasn’t shown struggling with less, stuff that she’s easily able to handle off her showings and then also he’s shown beating her up at her best, the scaling would make more sense. As of the storyline it doesn’t.
Knull, and Greiver are also new characters. They’re held to a high standard because they performed better than struggling with nukes.
Intent doesn’t mean much, if the scope of the story doesn’t match the intent.
A bunch of lip service and no scans backing up and proving your fanfiction. Doctor Strange was depowered yet using magic.
Based off your logic of using Doctor Strange and Clea to scale that should put Carol pretty high then right? Given a villain that was contending both Sorcerer Supremes had more interest in Carol.
The fact Stephen in the run prior stated she was too powerful to learn Magic, and they needed her to have limits.
There’s the Avengers run with her being the first one to get past Doctor Strange’s magic
Or her second Ms Marvel series where Warren Traveler had killed Stephen and then, Carol was contending him.
Anyone can chainscale. Multiple responses in and you haven’t provided an actual relevant Namor showing
A comic where Namor broke his hand punching Thanos? Compared to a modern comic of him using the infinity stones to avoid engaging Captain Marvel and Thor?
Do you actually read this stuff? Or find images on google?
Multiple responses in and you’re still struggling to give an actual feat for Namor.
