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For any 343 shills that try to gatekeep the lore because it doesn’t work with 343’s or simply don’t believe it exists, I want you to take a peek at this information before checking the videos and pic below.
The following was all released in 2007, the same year Halo 3 (script looked over by Joe Staten the lead writer) concluded and Joseph Staten’s book Contact Harvest released.
The video is from Bungie’s official Halo CE Directors Commentary featuring Joseph Staten, Jason Jones and Marty O’Donnel.
Listen to Sparks dialogue and what they had to say about it.
In the next we have Truth and Sparks quotes from the end of Halo 3.
Now I want you to link these keywords “left behind” to the last image.
A page straight out of Joseph Staten’s book Contact Harvest which contains a plot point that’s very important to the Human/Covenant war itself.
A plot point that not only shows up in the games but is continued for the book Contact Harvest.
The book contains so much lore that you could very much say it’s just as important, if not moreso than Halo: The Fall of Reach.
Even 343 has used the contents for Halo 2A’s terminals since it has the complete lore for about every species of the Covenant AND more.
I’ll be sure to attach Regret’s quote from Halo 2 below the post in case you believe that games out of the picture (storyboards unrelated because I’m using content from in game to provide further evidence despite it being that obvious).
Above all, the following information makes Halo’s story even better considering the fact that the Covenant has essentially been killing their own gods while the Prophets were aware.
And it’s far from cliche, in fact making Chief lucky due to the Librarian’s geneseed (Destiny essentially) and making alien forerunners hate humans for being human is far more cliche.
The only portion of media I can virtually think of that involves humans being direct descendants of an ancient alien world, movement, etcetra is Stargate.
And I’ve seen alot of movies and played a ton of games from all of the main gaming platforms.
And honestly, if you simply agree the lore exists and say you comprehend it but appreciate 343’s more, then there would be far less debates and arguments than there should be.
We don’t agree with the new lore because despite humanity being revealed as Forerunners, the mystery still remained.
And then pandoras box was opened with 4 and has been remained so ever since.
Before 4 we knew nothing about their society, how it worked, who the leaders were, yadayadayada.
Sometimes things are just better left in the dark.
That being said, I’d even agree with everything being kept a secret to ensure mystery like Marcus Lehto wished for.
But like I said, the lore just further improves the Covenant war and story that much more.
Please keep this in mind and think about that.
For my review of Parasites Wake, I’m gonna start with the pro’s.
@Rythayze did an absolutely excellent job on the artwork as always.
Throughout the book there’s mentions of cut content from Combat Evolved that rightfully should’ve been in the “Devolved” Remake.
Such as wildlife like Blindwolves and Thorn Beasts, and the diamond energy shield wielding elite’s.
Marvin Mobuto is a decent character and his death at the end is rather tragic.
And there are some decent concepts that could’ve been written a bit better.
Sadly, those are all the pro’s I could mention.
The cons are widespread and downright baffling.
You are lead to believe the Marvin Mobuto is the main character of the book.
However it is a 16 year old boy named Charlie that was smuggled onto the Pillar of Autumn by a field medic and handed off by his mother to prisoners from the Autumn’s never before mentioned brig that just so happened to be in a singular escape pod.
Marvin ends up coming across this group and leading them through less than half of the story until Spark ships him alone to The Library where he inevitably dies.
And while some of the Prisoners are interesting as characters, their plotlines fall short and are fairly mediocre.
With the plotline of Halo CE, you expect them all to die including Charlie.
And of course, this does happen.
Charlie is a rather interesting case though and I’ll get back to that soon.
Anyways, there are litters of lore references shoved in here.
Many of them retconning Bungie’s renowned Halo Combat Evolved that everyone knows and loves.
But many of which simply feel like jingling keys for 343 shills that view Halo as a book series with some additional games on the side.
Many of these references will not be understood to a first time reader of Halo novels unless you have read a variety of others such as Greg Bears retconned Forerunner trilogy, Halo Evolutions The Mona Lisa, and Halo Waypoint Chronicles.
Even the Halo CE Terminals are referenced here.
I was rather skeptical about Sparks addition in the story of course.
And in typical 343i fashion, Sparks identity is absolutely disgraced.
Spark is retconned once again to be a lonely human-in-a-shell lunatic and is purposefully claimed to be unreliable or untrustworthy in writing through the characters to purposely tick off Halo fans.
The only reason Spark takes Marvin to the library is because he has a gesh, aka genetic bullshit rather than the simplicity of just being human.
There’s also an Elite thrown in the story that ends up befriending the group out of sheer chance.
The Elite is part of an underground lowkey group in the Covenant called the Truthseekers that remain skeptical about the Great Journey and the human/covenant war.
After Mobuto dips, he pretty much leads the group from there despite being a prisoner that they hardly trust.
Eventually they make it to a mausoleum, and this section has to be the biggest offense of all the retcons in the story.
They basically threw in the cut Halo 2 storyboards where the Arbiter/Dervish discovers a coffin with a human skeleton aka Forerunner inside.
But instead of it being a human like it should be, it’s just a retconned 343 era forerunner.
They attempt to justify it by claiming it LOOKS human, therefore humans and forerunners must be genetically related.
Regardless it’s still a massive middle finger towards any Halo fan that still respects Bungies games and lore.
The Elite has a marine record it all through a helmet cam, that way he could pass the data over to the Prophets to end the war with the evidence.
Later on after the Autumn is minutes to detonation, the remainder of the group makes it to an area with a teleporter.
They end up getting overwhelmed by the flood and the same marine gives the helmet over to the Elite.
The marine and Charlie’s mom stay behind while The Elite and Charlie escape to the furthest part of the ring.
The ring explodes, however-
The fragment of that part of the ring breaks off and instead of that section(cont):
….becoming uninhabitable like it should be, they both end up surviving for THREE DAYS after the Pillar of Autumns detonation.
A non-UNSC dropship ends up conveniently picking both Charlie and the Elite up, and they get thrown in a cell where a guard takes the chip with the Elite’s recordings and it gets smashed beneath his boot.
It’s then revealed that they were both taken to The Mona Lisa, and the whole reason we had a friendly Elite was to forge a backstory for Henry the Elite from The Mona Lisa Evolutions story.
But that’s it, Charlie’s fate isn’t revealed and there was absolutely no point in having him shoehorned in.
The story is a confusing mess and is simply meant to rob Halo fans of their money in an attempt to nostalgia bait them into reading this.
The only people that may come to enjoy this are the minority of 343 shills that still remain to disrespect the franchise to this day.
For any fans that care, it’s best to save your money for things that are much more worthwhile.
Because this story is a waste of your money and time.
Why should split-screen co-op for Halo, let alone any game in general, be a debate??
This should be the standard for a good majority of games.
Why would we lower them?
Sure, why the fuck not. In the meantime here's Frank O'Retcon acknowledging H4's CoD comparisons. When devs acknowledge comparisons to other games, then they've lost the plot of what made the original so unique in the first place
Retronic Gamer retweeted
He wrote Halo 1, Halo 2 and ODST. That’s the peak writing of the franchise. The fact you losers actually slander Bungie and their games, while claiming to be fans of their IP is ridiculous.
The difference is the changes to Gears worked with it's cover-based gameplay. Adding verticality to gears is a logical step. Reach and 343 were simply chasing CoD's tail, forcing unnecessary mechanics that cause friction to appeal to an audience the never cared for Halo.
Retronic Gamer retweeted
Yeah, take me back, out back and shoot me in the head after seeing the design change of my favorite character, Thel Vadam.
Where's the justification for why his whole anatomy changed? Not speaking on the armor, since it's nice. However, you cannot tell me these two are the same:
Retronic Gamer retweeted
Thanks for 2,500 Reclaimers!
Never Forget: Forerunners are Human, and everything after Halo 3 is fan fiction.
Replying to @RetronicGamer
Flirting vs. Harassment
“Halo 4’s multiplayer isn’t COD”
Alright, so care to explain the addition of customizable loadouts, perks, score streaks, killcams, hit markers and sprint as the default rather than an armor ability?
Oh, not to mention Spartan Ops (Spec Ops) replacing the standard Firefight.
Halo 4 sought out to seek trends and spread to a “broader audience”.
And all it did was push the fans who loved and cared about the franchise away.
Same could be said for Halo 5 with its lootboxes and Titanfall/Advanced Warfare mechanics.
So in conclusion, if you still believe we’re making this up even after seeing this, then you should probably go to the local eye doctor and look into a pair of glasses lmao.
Replying to @RetronicGamer @9071Seik
En serio sigue diciendo que el multijugador de halo 4 es cod?, dime qué no has jugado cod sin decirme que has jugado cod.
This is the worst comparison to make and I’ll tell you why.
Doom 2 still had the same Doom Marine model and artstyle, this is just Doom Eternal’s version of Doom Guy off the Doom 2 box-art.
Doom 3 was a complete reboot.
Doom 64 was made by Midway games, not by ID.
Doom 2016 was originally supposed to be a reboot, but got turned into a continuation of the original’s in Eternal.
And Eternal is closer to being a return to form more than anything since it keeps the style of the classic games.
The only discourse regarding Doom’s artstyle starts with Doom 3.
Which I say is entirely justified for its artstyle since it’s a reboot.
Can’t say the same for Halo 4 since it’s not, it’s a continuation.
You’re comparing apples to oranges here.
Replying to @ReachTeaYT @RetronicGamer
I'll give you an example: Doom, Fallout, and DMC have changed their art style several times. I'm not saying Halo (especially 4) is a bad game just because of its art style; it made mistakes, yes, but not enough to make it a bad game.
Poor argument, unfortunately you are using weapon VARIATIONS that still stick with a consistent artstyle that fits Bungie’s games.
Here’s something you can’t make an excuse for.
The Covie’s in 343’s games.
You could make the excuse that they were different species (VARIANTS) than the originals in Bungie’s titles right?
If that’s the case, then why is the Arbiter in this artstyle and not the original hm?
Do the aliens “evolve” now?
Why are the ancient statues in Sanghelios in 343’s artstyle and not the original?
See, what you’ve been doing is showing a comparison between weapon VARIATIONS.
What I’ve been doing is showing how the entire identity and anatomy of things changed that looks like it came from a COMPLETELY different franchise than Halo to begin with xD.
You’re just making yourself look worse here buddy, why embarrass yourself? lol
Halo was best from the people that made the franchise exceptional to begin with.
Anyone that says otherwise is a 343 shill and is filled with more nostalgia than anyone in the room.
A little FAFO for 343 shill.
@ThelVanDamne, @ThelVanDamme came into my Discord on a burner account after asking for an invite from another member.
He then decided to spam post some pretty weird NFSW art of Sgt Johnson getting railed by the shipmaster, repeatedly, along with "BUNGIE HALO FUCKING SUCKS".
Now I love a good meltdown, especially in my server as I have jail for shills alongside a wall of shame of what they did.
However, being a fanny and using a fake account is pathetic. Atleast have the balls to own what you say without using a fake profile, so atleast let me put your real profiles out there.
Imagine hating Bungie Halo fans so much that you spam drop gay Halo porn of their favorite character getting railed on a discord server.
343 shills are on another level, especially @ThelVanDamne. 💀









































