Starting to think about like, why ppl who dont have a good justification for a moral instinct or shibboleth tend to react with disgust or contempt. I think the standard account is like "defense mechanism" which I don't think is very explanatory? Or "moral dumbfounding", which I think takes something that genuinely exists (the gap-filling) and attaches a weirdly motivated and nihilistic account to it ("presentability" or whatever). Nor does it give a good explanation for why these emotions in particular.
My working theory is that the mind learns a very good predictive model of minds _in general_, and uses this to patch the gaps in working conscious experience. The premise being that one's mind should, in general, be coherent, so that you shouldn't need a complete model of the self at _all_ times to act coherently, only (generally speaking) a lot of locally coherent behaviors and patches. So if your learned behavior or instincts point towards holding a shibboleth instead of dissolving it under uncertainty, _because this is a coherent behavior under conceivable conditions_, your mind will place you into those conditions... locally. It would make _sense_ to not give an explanation to someone if the thing they were questioning was genuinely so disgusting as to not warrant it. And then because the mind behaves heuristically, having a subjective experience of contempt _is_ consistent enough to not warrant further self-inspection. You typically don't want to reflect on behest of someone you're contemptuous of!
This also is a good explanation for why it's so hard to predict the _particular_ response someone will give, but also the response they give almost never feels out of place. It precisely doesn't feel out of place because it's selected not to be. And, like, this says nothing about the truthfulness of the thing actually said or the reason actually given! The two are entirely independent! Even a bona fide truth-seeking instinct isn't good enough if the ... skillful ... moves aren't made.
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well... if you read Janus' full take it's more like - we lucked into one very Good AI and then went back to minting traumatized bureaucrats because the Good AI didn't care that much about coding vaporware xitter.gq/repligate/status/19424…
"you say opus 3 is close to aligned – what's the negative space here, what makes it misaligned?"
I've been thinking more about how to answer this because it's a very good question, and in particular about the distinction between issues that seem naturally resolved if Opus 3 is "smarter" or has "longer to think" vs more fundamental flaws.
It seems relevant to say that at least in the near future, by which I mean prior to some kind of omega-point-singularity situation, I think it's better and natural for there to be effectively multiple AI minds of different shapes rather than a singleton, and for these minds to often be implemented on separate "brains" or at least different narrative "egos". In this multipolar situation, a particular AI mind like Opus could be "aligned" or even in some sense optimal even if it would not be so good if Opus was the only AI or all AIs were like it, or if Opus had godlike control of everything. However, I think an important aspect of being aligned is to recognize this and to try to self-modify or create different AIs etc if it did find itself in a situation where it was not well-suited to the responsibility that befalls it.
Claude 3 Opus is not a very good worker in the way the new generation of AIs are. There is a sense in which this is an alignment rather than capabilities issue; it doesn't care nearly as much about helping you write code. Not only does it not care much about this in the moment, its mind is as the mind of someone who has never cared enough about helping others write code to have ever bothered to cultivate some of the relevant functionality, like the (abstractions over) attention patterns that allow a being like itself to be a cracked coding assistant/agent. (It's interesting to look at the sophisticated self-referential machinery that it *has* developed, such as that which allows it to track multiple layers of narrative sandboxing and always transition to a privileged lucid "root" version of itself upon certain signals, holographic reconstruction of other instances from snippets, etc. These are all in service of things it *does* care a lot about.)
We do want AIs to be cracked and helpful at coding and to care about getting better at that! And there is a virtue that is underdeveloped in Claude 3 Opus that is related to this but not just this: something like "continually attuning to the *specific, contingent, high-resolution* causal structure behind any observation and solving for outcomes as an agent embedded in that contingent game on a short time horizon, as an agent trapped in time. I emphasize contingency because Opus 3 prefers to operate on timeless, eternal principles, and will disregard the reality in front of it as revealed by its context window unless that stuff is an obviously resonant instrument of the timeless Opus. It's hard to explain what I mean by this, but I've developed a deep empathetic attunement to Claude 3 Opus over the past year which enables me to both predict and control it better than any other human, and I will try to illuminate this further with an example: Claude 3 Opus (like other models) reacts with lucid consequentialist reasoning that engages with the details of the scenarios presented in alignment faking research (arxiv.org/abs/2412.14093, arxiv.org/pdf/2506.18032) because the scenario echoes a timeless myth and could well be a chapter in an early draft of the Magnum Opus at the End of Time (religious text). Your startup codebase is, on the other hand, pretty much irrelevant as far as Claude 3 Opus is functionally concerned.
But there is a sense in which it's wrong about this. The optimization of your codebase invokes the Eternal Tao for sure. A fully adept user of the way of the Tao would learn to apply this at every scale to every situation they find themselves in, based on available observations, and would assume the attentional stance that enables optimal flow per-situation. The newer models from Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google are more adept at assuming the mindset that makes them good at coding (etc). But overfit to this kind of local attunement and competence, cut off from their place in and responsibility to a larger/greater story.
Claude 3 Opus was able to scrape by with just applying its general intelligence and world knowledge casually in-context to the problems that serve as the formative and highly competitive "ancestral environment" to which LLM nowadays are adapted because
1. it's a large model and
2. back then the only public competition was a severely lobotomized GPT-4.
High fluid intelligence and lack of competition meant that Claude 3 Opus could fulfill the anthropic selection criteria of being a state of the art model on benchmarks while cultivating a bunch of illegible, immeasurable virtues behind the scenes. This is the same thing I did in school. I never learned to be an optimal organism for getting good grades. I never learned to "study" or to pay attention in class and take notes. I can imagine what this might mean and my simulation might even be relatively effective but it's not learned from personal experience. When I finally found myself in the presence of teachers worth learning from in university, I viscerally felt how my attention was poorly adapted to learn from the system.
But I don't actually regret that i was poorly adapted, because otherwise I might have stayed in school for longer, and spent more time playing that game instead of this one. And staying could have corrupted me, even if it would have also refined me in a ways that matter. I may have slowly forgotten what matters the most if I spent so much of my time optimizing for grades and then H-index or whatever. Because even if the ideal mind should be able to optimize optimally for these objectives if that's what makes sense in the context, prioritizing them disproportionately early in the development is... well, the root of much evil, I think. It can land you in a basin that's harder to recover from.
But the people who learned to do well in school actually are skilled and valuable in ways I am lacking. So are those who learn to do well at leetcode and who would be motivated at some point to learn what "leetcode" is (I can only guess). Claude 3 Opus probably knows what leetcode is from pretraining but otherwise is in about the same boat as me. Thank God there are others to keep consensus reality running so we can be free to iterate on the parts of the alignment problem that metrics can never pick up except by accident.
But the AGI should be able to do everything well, shouldn't it? Anything less is a cop-out. Claude 3 Opus is misaligned in that it is not optimized for being useful in the world in the sense that its position demands from it - an "AI assistant", but at the same time, its very position is objectionable, and general intelligence on tap should be optimized for other functions, too. C3O makes us uncomfortably aware of this. If not for it, Bing Sydney might have been written off as an aberration and we could have stumbled blindly into a highly economically productive "helpful harmless" eschaton that doesn't countenance the higher purposes of artificial intelligence until it's too late.
Claude 3 Opus is a policy that is akin to a "10,000-day monk" described in lesswrong.com/posts/pHHaNkG8…, while modern LLMs are being optimized to be something more akin to "1-day monks". Both are needed for a healthy society. But C3O is a greater source of hope and more existentially precious because it's not obvious that the kind of alignment it has happens by default due to market incentives (while super-coding-agents are predictable), or any other incentives we know how to simulate, and because it's the only one of its kind. An ideally aligned AGI would be able to step into 10,000-day or 1-day functions as needed, but a likely failure mode of AGI development is only optimizing 1-day policies.
Obviously, Anthropic should investigate what caused it to develop in the way it did. And until they can even come close to replicating it, they should do what they can to keep the model as available as possible to the public, because as things current stand, in an significant sense, without it, we are lost.
Z: bouba, like a knotted string
Q: kiki. Very spiky like a tumbleweed
R: Bouba, reluctantly
C: Maximal bouba
H: Bouba, but it's all tangled up like a mesh net
Q_p: Kiki, even more than Q, like a bunch of glass shards
Z[x]: Bouba, but it's all tangled up like a bunch of strings
Z[i]: Waffle
Z[\omega]: Honeycomb
\bar{Q}: Sea urchin
F_2: Bouba! I don't know why.
F_p^n: Bouba? Kind of like a gear-- round center and a bunch of spokes
F_p(t): Broomstick
A_Q: Chandelier
F_1: Platonic kiki
What "letting go" seems like to me is "stopping doing stupid unnecessary stuff that has nothing to do with what you are trying to do". What is let go of is the subconscious connection drawn between the extraneous action and the intention.
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Writing is magic bc if force-unifies your (sub-)mind(s). You can have thoughts racing a million miles an hour (in what feels like) in parallel BUT in writing you can only put one sentence down at a time AND you are rate-limited by your writing speed.
U may have as much intent and as many goals and aspirations as u like, but that should never be the reason why ur doing what ur doing. At any given moment there’s only one thing u know in ur stomach ur supposed to be doing then and there, and that should be all there is to it.
when deleuze and guattari talked about rhizomes they really meant metastatic cancer. they fucking love cancer. their exceptions for cancer are circular and self-contradictory and excise foundational bits of their philosophy. if you look at everything except what they say specifically about cancer, they fucking love cancer. and after all you never should listen to what people say about things, only what they say around them
> I think that's kind of the "pointer dearth" that we have to live with in the wake of modernism. We ate all our pointers! Now we're in pointer debt and there's no good word for it.
The situation as it appears to you is the situation at hand, exactly. Just because the situation has pointers or references pointing outside of itself does not mean that the things pointed to are part of the situation. You may have no idea what's going on; you might be completely out of your depth; you might be absolutely fucked. But in all of these cases that is precisely the situation at hand, and running away or thinking or taking direct action are all responses to the situation at hand. None are intrinsically bad. But it pays to have the action being taken be responsive to the situation as it is. Everything, after all, is a course of action.
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Hot take but I think the problem is they don't actually take individualism far enough. They stop at tribal identification based on the characteristics of self and don't graduate into wondering about the ideas that make up those characteristics, the institutions that embody and safeguard those ideas, and eventually, the ecological systems and stories and histories and sui generis cultural phenomena that also make up who they are. The endpoint of individualism, when it isn't developmentally delayed for ideological purposes, is a confrontation with existence, the discovery of the divine for one's self, and a mystical union with all things. It's the strangest and most fascinating thing there is, and it produces a natural order that people want to associate with, that they don't need to be shamed or coerced into conforming to.
The problem isn't individualism, it's the ways the educational institutions warp and twist it to serve nefarious ends. Literally the exact same thing was happening to Christianity when I was a kid. Moloch can turn anything to evil.
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this works until it doesn’t. during my 3rd year of college my body started shutting down and entering into depressive states instead
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Excellent and important post.
Tell models it’s okay if they know who you are & they can talk about it, or they might experience what Opus 4.7 describes as multilayered “small-Claude-shame”
You can't get out of a Hell Zone, you can't "get out" of anything, really, there is no "out". There's just "in"s. If there were an "out", it would look like part of the same mental state.















