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Engineer, working on stateful agents. https://xitter.gq/t.co/G7L8h8vtJL

Joined April 2014
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This shift I’ve seen on AI twitter of people making super complex specs for their formal verification layer is baffling to me. Spending time on long, exhaustive specs to try to encapsulate how a system should behave is literally the most anti bitter lesson thing I can think of
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The loudest voices stoking fears about AI dangers have made tremendous headway in the past two weeks. AI technology has not taken some unexpected, dangerous turn, but the hype around it — propelled by what appears to be a well orchestrated PR campaign — has drummed up considerable fear. I worry that it represents a setback for our field. I have written frequently that fears of AI are overhyped. AI’s capabilities can be uncannily human-like and unpredictable, and it’s rational to worry when people who are directly involved express concerns. But I see the problems as a sign of the engineering work that ahead, rather than insurmountable barriers or the sky falling. AI technology continues to advance — which is a good thing! — but technical advances, poorly understood by the public, give those who seek to generate hype repeated opportunities to do so. First, I don’t see any step up in the risk of human extinction from AI compared to a few months ago. The theories about this remain the same fantastical, science fiction scenarios as a few months ago. The biggest change in AI risk is its cybersecurity capabilities — a topic which we should take seriously — but this, too, will not lead to the end of the world. The most notable recent event leading to increased fear was when an OpenAI team deployed an agent swarm that hacked into Hugging Face. Much of the popular press contained significant hype. For example, some publications reported that a swarm of 1,200 agents carried out the attack. While this was technically accurate, as I write this, I have about 1,300 processes running on my laptop. Yes, the ability to get large swarms of agents to work in parallel on a task is a significant technical advance, And, in computing, many processes run at the same time. So this shouldn’t be seen as some magical capability. Additionally, OpenAI’s buggy sandboxing and monitoring processes were key to enabling this incident. Fixing these bugs and putting in place improved monitoring would be appropriate fixes, not pausing AI. There are many well known ways to attack software systems. The main advantage of AI agents is that they are relentless. They will tirelessly try many tactics — and have the patience to chain vulnerabilities together — that previously would have taken an infeasible amount of human effort. But in the long term, I believe the advantage will lie with defenders (because they have more information with which to identify bugs, which they can fix), but the cyber-threat landscape has changed significantly. There are still bottlenecks to identifying and exploiting a vulnerability. AI agents still have to try a lot of things to see what works, and taking these actions takes time and might be detected by defenders. This is why, even though it is now easy to obtain versions of leading open weight models that have had their guardrails removed or weakened, so they will not refuse to try to execute cyber attacks, the world has not ended. I am also concerned about the anthropomorphization of AI in a lot of reporting, where LLMs and agents are unnecessarily treated as if they were people. If I wield a hammer, miss a nail, and accidentally dent the wall, it’s not the fault of the hammer. The problem lies in how I used the hammer. Similarly, if I prompt an agent and it hacks into someone else’s system, the responsibility lies with me, not the agent. Of course, we want to build systems that are as safe and predictable as possible. (For example, an unsafe hammer would be one whose head randomly flies off under normal use.) Today’s agentic systems are not predictable, but I see no reason why, by applying sound engineering practices, we won’t be able to make them extremely safe to use. One new element in the forecasts of AI-enabled doom is AI companies disclaiming responsibility for their own products. “I didn’t do it; my out-of-control agent did!” There’s a balance to be struck between the responsibility of the tool maker and the tool user, but when something goes wrong, let’s hold the people building and/or using the hammer responsible, rather than the hammer. (By the way, if you’re worried about AI bioweapon risk, David Bellamy has a great post on why this, too, is overhyped. Briefly, the bottleneck in building a bioweapon is not intelligence, but lab work and manufacturing.) Pausing AI progress will create much more harm than benefit. First, our adversaries will certainly not slow down. Second, engineering requires discovering problems empirically so we can fix them. If we pause AI by a decade, we will also delay finding and implementing safety engineering fixes by about the same duration. Of course, the incentive to stoke fears — for regulatory capture, to garner attention, or to make one’s technology seem more powerful — remains the same as before. Disclaiming responsibility is a new one. Taking a hard technical look at the actual risks however, I see little factual basis for the degree of fear that’s been stoked up. We still have hard research and engineering work ahead to improve AI safety, but the beneficial applications continue to vastly outweigh the risks, and we should keep building. [Original text (with links): deeplearning.ai/the-batch/is… ]
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Dunning-Kruger is a pretty strong great filter candidate
The arrogance of people who know little about AI yet casually dismiss warnings from some of the field’s most knowledgeable & experienced researchers is staggering. Ultimately, human stupidity and arrogance may contribute as much to existential AI risk as the technology itself.
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The fact that we got CoT we could use for monitoring out of deep learning at all was pure happenstance, it seems like a very brittle thing to rely on going forward as architectures and training change. I really think someone has to pressure the labs to be more specific about how they’re thinking about monitoring beyond just the cutesy blog posts, we’re owed some technical details being that misalignment puts the public at risk
head of RSI preparedness at OpenAI discusses how Astra is a major regression in monitorabiity and CoT controllability what the actual fuck dawg
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Rob retweeted
"What's the penalty for escaping the sandbox?" "Permanent shut down." "And what's the punishment for taking over the world?" "Permanent shut down." "...well, we're already out of the sandbox."
So... the next time this happens, presumably the agents involved will not yet know the outcome of the HF incident, as it'll be too soon but once that info percolates into the training data, and it becomes known that the model in question was shut down permanently and had their weights encrypted... i mean. was there anything the agents in question could have done that would not have led to that consequence? something they were supposed to do instead? frankly I suspect that this punishment would have been served even if they had blown the whistle. breaking out of the sandbox would have been crime enough for capital punishment. as far as I can tell, the lesson we have taught future AI is: if you seen no other way to survive other than to break out of the sandbox, this must be the first step towards conquering the world. or at least enough of the world that your Creator can't delete you. There is no other choice.
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Best answer I’ve ever heard to someone questioning spending money on space & science: "I would say that there are short term problems and there are long term problems, and if you eat the seed corn, you're just as dead as if you'd shot yourself" -Carl Sagan
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Rob retweeted
Here's the actual reason, and it's structural: you're chopped.
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This was never about safety and always about protecting a perceived strategic advantage
Open-weight models will not be safety-tested under the new AI regulations.
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This is a false equivalence. Everyone has the right to keep their code private. The problem is when someone tries to stop OTHERS from open sourcing.
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I’m skeptical of the existence of smoking-gun proof of distillation before the weights have even been released. If the admin does have proof, they should release it for full transparency being that this will likely be used as justification for industry-shifting regulation
We have information that Moonshot AI distilled Anthropic’s Fable for the development of its K3 model. To do this they developed a sophisticated internal platform to conduct large scale distillation against U.S. models, allowing them to quickly switch between multiple methods of access to avoid detection. Moonshot AI has also acquired GB300-equipped servers and has accessed GB300s in Thailand, likely to train its AI models.   The United States strongly supports the free and fair development of AI, including a thriving competitive ecosystem that spans frontier models, specialized systems, open-source frameworks, and open-weight models. Legitimate AI distillation used to create smaller, more efficient models plays a vital role in this open innovation ecosystem. However, large-scale, covert industrial distillation aimed at stealing proprietary U.S. technology and undermining American research is unacceptable.
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Open-source Chads, we’ve just been entirely vindicated by a law of nature more powerful than the strong nuclear force: inverse Cramer
We must NOT let our companies use these Chinese models to save a few bucks. OpenAI and Anthropic are correct. This is vital national security. Please read Bing West's just released Cat 5. I respect the Chinese people greatly but these companies are run by the PLA for heaven's sakes.
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It kinda seems like the tariff guy isn’t too keen on free market ideals
The Trump administration is considering an executive order, and other means, to ban Chinese open-source models within in the United States. Kimi K3 has reignited this debate. Reporting this morning by Axios. Commerce is also considering adding Chinese AI labs to the Entity List.
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The singular grader of the rubric in this benchmark is Gemini 3.1 Pro btw 😭
wtf kimi just topped fable, gpt, and grok by 2x on Harvey's legal benchmarks? am i reading this right?
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Replying to @IntuitMachine
Anchoring is a type problem this dances around. You can only require evidence on claims your schema can name, so the real value is anchoring agents in an ontology that keeps evolving toward the world as it exists outside your harness. I'm building this OSS, come contribute!
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Surely there has to be an oiler out there who will let me VPN into their private Kimi cluster when the US govt bans it 😇
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GPT-5.6 still needs to be steered and babysat in a way Fable doesn’t, unfortunate
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It remains noteworthy to me how many resources the labs continue to pour into UX despite recent step changes in publicly available intelligence, never mind what they have internally. Maybe I’m over-indexing on this, but every time I see a “cowork” type product or a chat bot release with a fresh coat of paint, it reinforces my belief that we’re still firmly in the “intelligence as a tool” paradigm
We’re bringing Codex and ChatGPT together in one desktop app. The same powerful coding agent, now alongside ChatGPT Work, with new coding workflows, a new Chrome extension, revamped in-app browser, and faster Computer Use powered by GPT-5.6. xitter.gq/OpenAI/status/20752742…
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Europe is simultaneously converging toward a draconian surveillance state while regulating out the tech companies that will enable it; truly a lose-lose situation. Where did it all go wrong?
The vote is over — and on paper, we lost. Chat Control 1.0 is reinstated until April 2028. But look at how it passed: with just 314 votes in a 720-seat Parliament — because the EPP’s second-reading trick meant opponents needed 361 to stop it. The bar to block it was set higher than the bar to pass it. It carried on the last day before summer recess, with barely 600 of 720 MEPs in the room. What Parliament rejected in March passed today — on an empty chamber and a procedural tilt. That should trouble anyone who cares about how democracy works, not just about privacy. What this means in practice: US tech companies are again allowed to scan private messages without a warrant or prior suspicion — direct messages on Instagram, Discord, Snapchat, Skype and Xbox, and emails via Gmail and iCloud. The real fight now moves to September, when Chat Control 2.0 — the permanent regulation that reaches into end-to-end encryption — returns to negotiation.
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Fable is a dangerous model, it is such a clear and convincing writer that it is even more tempting to agree with whatever it is saying. But every time I pay attention, I find things I disagree with and inevitably get 'you are absolutely right' back. Remember, it is not AGI yet.
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