Halluminate is building reinforcement learning environments and benchmarks to help AI models do knowledge work beyond coding, starting with finance. With a team of fewer than 10 people, the company works with four of the top five closed-source US AI labs and recently raised a $30M Series A. In this fireside, co-founders @Jerr_Wu and @wgm752 sit down with YC's @xuster to share how testing browser agents led them to building the environments models now use to practice tasks like financial modeling. They explain why better verification, not just more training tasks, is critical to making models smarter, and how that work could eventually lead to simulated companies where teams of AI agents learn to work together. 00:00 — Halluminate’s Pivot From Evals to Training Environments 03:48 — Teaching AI to Do Financial Work 07:13 — Why Verification Matters More Than Volume 10:13 — From Finance to Simulated Companies 13:30 — AI Safety and Building the Team