Carlos Chan

PIERS MORGAN CHALLENGES a transgender activist: “Why can’t I identify as a Black lesbian?” Her response takes an unexpected turn when he asks how many genders there are. Then he brings up the BBC teaching children there are 100 genders. Piers Morgan: Okay. Why can't I identify as a Black lesbian? Angelica Malin: Well, firstly, I mean... Piers Morgan: I'm serious. I'm serious. If I can identify as anything without any need to prove I'm actually what that is, why can't I on International Women's Day say, "I'm Piers Morgan, I'm a Black lesbian"? Angelica Malin: I think taking it to a kind of absurd status... Piers Morgan: No, no. I think that's... With respect, I think that you've already opened the absurdity door by saying it is limitless. You can do what you like. Anyone can say, "I'm a woman." So I simply ask you, why can't I? Angelica Malin: I mean, this point kind of ridicules trans people to an extent. Piers Morgan: Actually, I think what you said ridicules trans people because actually people who go through the full process of transition, who actually go through what we used to call a sex change which I don't think you can muck around with original biology but those who actually go through surgical procedures over a number of years, I've got great respect for that very difficult journey they go on. I have zero respect for people who just wallop their hand up and go suddenly, "I'm a woman," and I want all the rights that a woman has, and I want to compete, say, in sport. I'm a 6 ft 4 in athlete sprinter, swimmer, whatever who's competed very mediocrely in male sport. I now want to come in and crush women in swimming pools and in sprinting events and break all their records, perhaps irrevocably, just by saying, "I'm a woman." I think that is the absurdity you were talking about. My response was to say, "Well, if it's limitless, why can't I then say whatever I want to say?" And you say immediately, as I knew you would, "Well, that's ridiculous." But my point is, you were being ridiculous. Angelica Malin: Well, that's your opinion. You can think I'm ridiculous, but I don't think you can say... Piers Morgan: I don't know why I am, but you're not. Angelica Malin: I don't think you can say it's post-op is the only way that someone's allowed to identify... Esther Krakue: The original standard for... Hold on. The original standard for being transgender was being diagnosed with gender dysphoria, which is a legitimate condition. And now it's been, "Oh, however way you feel." So if you feel on Tuesday you're a woman and on Thursday you're a pizza, that's perfectly valid. But to you, that's ridiculous. And I want to know why that is ridiculous. We should be talking about actual women on International Women's Day. That's not crazy. Angelica Malin: I mean, I agree with that. But what is your idea of an actual woman? Esther Krakue: The chromosomes. It's pretty clear. Piers Morgan: It's an adult female. It's not difficult. Esther Krakue: The chromosomes are a pretty good indication. Angelica Malin: I don't think you have to be biologically female to identify... Esther Krakue: Then you are wrong. Because then I can identify as a fox. Angelica Malin: Yeah, but again, it's a bit of an absurd point. Piers Morgan: You can't. Well, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this, Angelica. How many genders are there? Angelica Malin: Two. Piers Morgan: There are two genders? Wow. So you don't believe in transgenders at all? Angelica Malin: Well, I think... I think there are... Piers Morgan: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! There are two genders? Angelica Malin: Well, it's taught in... Piers Morgan: What, did you say "well"? You've literally just launched this huge defense of transgenderism. Now you've eradicated it. If there are two genders, you mean male and female, right? Angelica Malin: There's gender fluidity. I will... Esther Krakue: Fluid between what? Piers Morgan: Between what?