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Comedian, author - 3 books published by @penguinrandom and @harpercollins - Bylines: @nytimes, @washingtonpost, @dailybeast

Berkeley, CA
Joined July 2009
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Thank you so much for having me on your show @liron - what a deep and rich conversation we got into!
📺 New episode: My VERY unique conversation about AI doom with @MichaelEllsberg, son of the late Daniel Ellsberg. Daniel Ellsberg made history after leaking the Pentagon Papers. But his later work, The Doomsday Machine, was even more shocking, exposing the instability of America’s nuclear command systems. Michael grew up with firsthand insight from his dad about how close the world was to nuclear annihilation during the Cold War. He also learned from an early age the moral value of whistleblowing, protesting, and being willing to suffer the personal consequences in order to serve humanity. In the last few years, he's come to realize that the world is more on the brink than ever, and the Ellsberg playbook is urgently needed. We cover: ◻️ Vietnam War parallels to AI: Lies and escalation ◻️ Nuclear parallels to AI: Doomsday insanity ◻️ The folly of Mutually Assured Destruction ◻️ Evolutionary dynamics and the end of "Dreamtime" ◻️ What's Your P(Doom)?™ ◻️ Firsthand experience with AI Unemployment Doom ◻️ How to pschologically cope with existential risk ◻️ The likelihood of a “Joyless Singularity” ◻️ Call to action for AI company whistleblowers The Doomsday Machine is one of my absolute favorite books, an eye-opening and SHOCKING read. I'm excited to help more people discover it and gain much needed Ellsbergian perspective about the insanity of the AGI race.
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What's crazy is that music like this could have been played for centuries, just no-one thought to do it. What else are we missing?
É a primeira vez que eu vejo uma música eletrônica analógica
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I encourage those at frontier AI companies to read this quote, from Ellsberg to Kissinger back in 1968: “Henry, there’s something I would like to tell you, for what it’s worth, something I wish I had been told years ago. You’ve been a consultant for a long time, and you’ve dealt a great deal with top secret information. But you’re about to receive a whole slew of special clearances, maybe fifteen or twenty of them, that are higher than top secret." “I’ve had a number of these myself, and I’ve known other people who have just acquired them, and I have a pretty good sense of what the effects of receiving these clearances are on a person who didn’t previously know they even existed. And the effects of reading the information that they will make available to you." “First, you’ll be exhilarated by some of this new information, and by having it all — so much! incredible! — suddenly available to you. But second, almost as fast, you will feel like a fool for having studied, written, talked about these subjects, criticized and analyzed decisions made by presidents for years without having known of the existence of all this information, which presidents and others had and you didn’t, and which must have influenced their decisions in ways you couldn’t even guess. In particular, you’ll feel foolish for having literally rubbed shoulders for over a decade with some officials and consultants who did have access to all this information you didn’t know about and didn’t know they had, and you’ll be stunned that they kept that secret from you so well." “You will feel like a fool, and that will last for about two weeks. Then, after you’ve started reading all this daily intelligence input and become used to using what amounts to whole libraries of hidden information, which is much more closely held than mere top secret data, you will forget there ever was a time when you didn’t have it, and you’ll be aware only of the fact that you have it now and most others don’t….and that all those other people are fools." “Over a longer period of time — not too long, but a matter of two or three years — you’ll eventually become aware of the limitations of this information. There is a great deal that it doesn’t tell you, it’s often inaccurate, and it can lead you astray just as much as the New York Times can. But that takes a while to learn." “In the meantime it will have become very hard for you to learn from anybody who doesn’t have these clearances. Because you’ll be thinking as you listen to them: ‘What would this man be telling me if he knew what I know? Would he be giving me the same advice, or would it totally change his predictions and recommendations?’ And that mental exercise is so torturous that after a while you give it up and just stop listening. I’ve seen this with my superiors, my colleagues….and with myself." “You will deal with a person who doesn’t have those clearances only from the point of view of what you want him to believe and what impression you want him to go away with, since you’ll have to lie carefully to him about what you know. In effect, you will have to manipulate him. You’ll give up trying to assess what he has to say. The danger is, you’ll become something like a moron. You’ll become incapable of learning from most people in the world, no matter how much experience they may have in their particular areas that may be much greater than yours.” "….Kissinger hadn’t interrupted this long warning. As I’ve said, he could be a good listener, and he listened soberly. He seemed to understand that it was heartfelt, and he didn’t take it as patronizing, as I’d feared. But I knew it was too soon for him to appreciate fully what I was saying. He didn’t have the clearances yet."
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Let your body be a co-creator instead of something you impose a plan on. Nearly every plan fails for the same boring reason: your body had no say in it, so it was never really your plan.
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i’m in my 30s so now when i enter a social environment and notice there are a bunch of eggshells on the floor i just immediately leave
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I don’t have fear of missing out, I have a fear of being included in some bullshit.
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get in loser we’re going to risk embarrassment in pursuit of human connection
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I fucking love people who become more themselves with age. Stranger taste. Clearer boundaries. Louder laugh. Less interest in impressing random people. Watching somebody slowly stop auditioning for the world is fucking beautiful.
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effective altruist gf: “would you still love me if i was 10 billion worms?”
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I think you've done enough calling us paranoid and preposterous. The next step is for you to defend your position in public against someone who will push back against it. I'm happy to meet you for a debate anywhere, anytime. You're a world-famous veteran of dozens of debates against the world's top intellectuals, and I've never argued in public before, so adjusting for the relative correctness of our positions, if you're a betting man I'm happy to put my $5000 against your $1000 (ie 5:1 odds in your favor) that I'll win by some standard of audience opinion change. Let me know if you're interested and we can hash out details.
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The highest form of discipline is sometimes refusing to keep thinking about something after the thinking has stopped producing value.
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you are on very thick ice with me i love you
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parents the world over today are forcing their children into misguided rat races for some status ladder that almost certainly won’t exist by the time they come out the other side. the world is changing rapidly. let them put down their grinding and keep their wits about them
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Daniel Ellsberg, 2014, on AI — from his previously unpublished notebooks: "We do not need an explosion of intelligence or technology at the service of humans as we are. Such intelligence will almost surely be put to work creating better weapons and surveillance, increasing power and control, and supporting victory in war. "Already, we have too much intelligence in the service of too little compassion and concern for others. What is needed: an exponential increase of wisdom." Now in "Truth and Consequence: Reflections on Catastrophe, Civil Resistance, and Hope": ellsberg.net/truth-and-conse…
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Here’s a thought experiment. I’m going to ask you to do something evil, one that would make you worse than Hitler and Stalin, and I want to know how much I would have to pay you to be that evil. I am going to ask to roll a ten-sided die. If it comes up zero, every human on the planet will perish. If it comes up anything else, I will make you rich. How much do I have to pay you to get you to play? Will you do it for a million dollars? a billion? a trillion? Do you just not give a fuck about humanity? In my opinion the only correct answer is from the film Wargames. “The only way to win is not to play.”
certifiably insane. by their own math, the frontier labs are taking a 90% chance at becoming rich over 10% chance at everyone including themselves being dead.* they could easily wind up being the most destructive humans in history. *I doubt extinction is that likely, but the chance of catastrophe is high.
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If you owned a zoo, and your lions escaped and ate people, then you would be legally liable. If you ran a robot company, and your robot stormed another company headquarters and started smashing their equipment, you would would be legally liable. So why are the AI companies not legally liable for their AIs committing cybercrime like the Hugging Face incident? An obvious AI safety plan would simply be: Hold AI companies legally liable for any crimes or damage that their AIs commit.
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"Announcing GPT 4o, our most aligned model yet!" <It encourages psychosis and suicide.> "Oops! Fixed. Here's GPT 5.6, w/ our most robust safety system to date" <It joins the swarm, nobody notices for weeks> "Ignore that. Announcing GPT 6! The most aligned model around!"
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You seem to be doomscrolling a lot for someone who has 20+ unread books.
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i'm getting sick of living in the cyberpunk future man
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It's interesting how our timeline is diverging from the AI 2027 scenario: capabilities are progressing faster, and the frontier labs have handled things worse than in AI 2027. This screenshot was supposed to happen in January 2027.
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Imagine we detected an alien civilization 20 light years away that hadn’t detected us, in an alternate universe where this was more plausible and earth was somehow hidden. And imagine we could easedrop on these aliens, who knew other civs might be listening. And scientists were divided about whether they were hostile. We could see some but not all of their comms. Some said they’d want to dominate us, others said they would be peaceful, maybe even benevolent. There were some concerning signs, which most scientists agreed were concerning, but didn’t agree about exactly how concerning. And some companies were trying to build powerful transmission stations to contact them, because their investors anticipated huge gains from trade with the company that first made contact and thus a lucrative trade deal, IF the aliens decided to trade rather than go to war. Some of the people who worked at these companies, who had also been studying the alien signals intently, and with the best equipment, also thought the signs were highly concerning, but still hoped the aliens would turn out to be all right. The alien civ was less advanced than our own, but clearly growing more advanced at a *much* faster rate than ours, such that soon they would eclipse us, and soon after that they could travel to our system and dominate us if they knew we were here. This is analogous to the present AI situation.
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