Well, St. Maximus doesn't say this exactly.
He says that creatures subsist in a tropos according to their logoi, but the Logoi themselves do not possess subsistence of their own. They do possess genuine eternal existence and subsistence in the Logos, but not as independent, self-subsistent hypostases. Their eternal "reality" is not equivalent to the actual existence of the created beings that come into being according to them out of nothing.
The creature itself, its tropos and its logos are not identical and the creatures themselves do not participate in their logoi as logoi are intentional delimitative uncreated predeterminations.
Replying to @MrsRomano6
Correct ๐
These talks should clarify everything.
youtu.be/djFjidsrd-A
youtu.be/DXPZsoRzUm8
Bryce, don't be too shocked at what's happening in Kenya. It was just as bad here in the U.S. when the Faith first began to spread, and in many ways, it still is today.
"๐๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ ๐ ๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ๐ ๐ฐ๐ก๐๐ง ๐๐จ๐ซ๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ฐ๐๐ง๐๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐๐ฆ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ก ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ซ๐๐๐๐ก ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ฆ๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ข๐ง๐ญ. ๐๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ก๐๐ซ๐๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐ ๐๐ง๐ฒ ๐ฏ๐ข๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ก ๐ฅ๐๐๐ญ. ๐๐ก๐๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ข๐ซ ๐ฅ๐๐๐ค ๐จ๐ ๐ฉ๐ฎ๐ง๐ข๐ฌ๐ก๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ญ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ค ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐จ๐ฐ๐๐๐ฅ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฆ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐๐ญ๐ข๐ฌ๐๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ข๐ซ ๐๐๐ฌ๐ข๐ซ๐๐ฌ. ๐๐จ๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐๐๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฆ, ๐ก๐จ๐ฐ๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ, ๐๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ซ๐๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ณ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ข๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐๐ฅ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฆ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐จ๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐ฎ๐ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐๐ก ๐ ๐ฅ๐ข๐๐.
"๐๐ก๐๐ง ๐ข๐ง ๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ข๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐๐ฒ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐จ๐โฆ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ฎ๐ญ๐ข๐๐ฎ๐ฅ. ๐๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ญ๐จ๐๐๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฒ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐ง๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ ๐ซ๐๐๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฒ, ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฅ๐๐๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฆ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ ๐๐๐๐ฉ๐๐ซ ๐ซ๐๐ฉ๐๐ง๐ญ๐๐ง๐๐. ๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ง๐๐ฅ๐ ๐๐๐๐จ๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ญ ๐ ๐จ๐๐ฌ ๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ, ๐ข๐ญ ๐ฌ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐จ๐ฐ๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐ค๐ฌ; ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ, ๐ข๐ญ ๐๐ง๐ฅ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ๐๐ง๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐๐ข๐ง๐ ๐๐๐ซ๐ค๐ง๐๐ฌ๐ฌ; ๐ญ๐ก๐ฎ๐ฌ, ๐ข๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐ก๐ฎ๐ซ๐๐ก'๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐ข๐๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ ๐๐ ๐. ๐๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ๐ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ง๐๐๐ซ."
โ ๐๐ข๐๐ฏ๐ก ๐๐ฆ๐๐ข๐๐ฉ๐๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ ๐๐บ๐๐ช๐ก๐ด๐
Replying to @Rach4Patriarchy
Me looking for Kyla's argument like:
For those interested in the issue of nominalism and the Orthodox response to it:
youtube.com/watch?v=HtHnIMr4โฆ
youtube.com/watch?v=8I59vWmFโฆ
youtube.com/watch?v=G1lrYYqgโฆ



