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Mtual Fund Sahee hai giving smooth exit to FPIs. Earlier FPIs looking to exit at scale were caught in a bind: sell heavily without enough buyers, and their own selling would drive prices down and eat into their returns. Then came the surge of domestic money through SIPs. A steady stream of household savings supplied the buying power to absorb foreign selling, giving FPIs a golden opportunity to exit with less pressure on prices.That buying is a source of market resilience, but it also cushions policymakers from the consequences of investor dissatisfaction. Nobody can assume that households will keep up their SIPs through a prolonged period of disappointing returns. Their monthly contributions should not become an excuse to postpone examining why other investors are reducing their exposure.
The Ambiguity Tax: Why a tax cut won’t bring foreign capital back In a recent column, Akash Prakash put net foreign portfolio investor (FPI) outflows from Indian equities since the September 2024 market peak at about $65 billion. Much of the chatter in the media and on social media reduces the explanation to taxation: long-term capital gains tax (LTCG), securities transaction tax (STT), this tax or that tax. The implied solution is equally simple: remove a levy and India will once again become the darling of global capital. A tax cut may change an allocation. It cannot, by itself, repair confidence in the rules. In 1961, Daniel Ellsberg described a choice between two urns. One held 50 red and 50 black balls. The other held 100 balls in an unknown mix. People often preferred to bet on the first urn, whichever colour they were asked to pick. Under the standard model, no single probability estimate for the second urn can justify both preferences. People place a value on knowing the odds. Indian regulation is the second urn. If India shines at anything, it is uncertainty and nightmare paperwork. Rules can change in the middle of an investment's life, and India's history includes retrospective changes as well, the 2012 Vodafone amendment being the best known. For a small fund or investment vehicle, even a new condition governing future contributions can disturb the economics on which money was originally raised. Past investments may remain untouched while the assumptions for the years ahead are rewritten. A single circular can reopen an entire investment thesis. An investor can model a known tax. It is far harder to model a liability that may emerge from a new interpretation of an old transaction. A business can budget for a clearly defined approval process. It struggles when it cannot tell which interpretation will prevail, or when a matter will be considered settled. Such uncertainty can lower the price investors are willing to pay, delay investment, or send capital elsewhere. And much of the ambiguity tax is paid per commitment, not per dollar. A fund of funds considering a $10 million allocation to India can face much of the same tax advice, legal analysis and committee work as one considering $100 million. The smaller cheque therefore carries a heavier burden. When counsel cannot establish how the rules will apply over the life of the fund, the committee may simply pass. The allocation never reaches the stage of negotiating terms. Even GIFT City, built to bring India funds home, is not immune. In October, Artha Bharat, which manages over $800 million there, said it would move two fund structures to Abu Dhabi Global Market, citing tax uncertainty, compliance burden and investor restrictions. That is Ellsberg's second urn, rebuilt inside the institution designed to remove it. Policy in India is designed for the big trees: sovereign funds, global houses and anchor investors who arrive with a battalion of lawyers. But a forest is not made of big trees alone. The grass, shrubs and saplings hold the soil, and without them even the big trees eventually fall. Capital works the same way. Small funds, funds of funds and first-time managers are where tomorrow's large investors and large companies grow. A regime that only the big trees can survive is not an ecosystem. It is a plantation. The hard truth is that investors and entrepreneurs are tired of Indian regulators: of ever-changing, ever-appearing rules and complete uncertainty. So if anyone thinks a tweak to this tax or that tax will reverse the flow of capital, it will not happen. We must remember that tinkering with tax rates does not change the mindset of an administration that defaults to uncertainty and ever-increasing paperwork. FPIs looking to exit at scale were caught in a bind: sell heavily without enough buyers, and their own selling would drive prices down and eat into their returns. Then came the surge of domestic money through SIPs. A steady stream of household savings supplied the buying power to absorb foreign selling, giving FPIs a golden opportunity to exit with less pressure on prices.That buying is a source of market resilience, but it also cushions policymakers from the consequences of investor dissatisfaction. Nobody can assume that households will keep up their SIPs through a prolonged period of disappointing returns. Their monthly contributions should not become an excuse to postpone examining why other investors are reducing their exposure. The same problem now reaches beyond investment into the ordinary business of earning foreign exchange. RBI's new export-declaration framework took effect on 1 October. On 7 October, RBI acknowledged misunderstandings over reporting obligations and clarified that individuals' contracts of a personal nature were outside the requirement. It said FAQs would clarify the position. Yet by 24 October, reports showed individuals and small businesses facing demands for export declaration forms and delays in having overseas service payments credited. SME industry bodies had also asked RBI to stop avoidable professional-certification demands for routine small-value transactions. A business that has completed its work and earned its money is left trying to establish what will satisfy the bank. That gap between the regulator’s explanation and the customer’s experience is the ambiguity tax in practice. It is high time the powers that be re-examined regulation. The lens should not be taxation, round-tripping and who is stealing, but how capital formation can happen and what fair play looks like for people trying to create capital. Almost every new rule now arrives labelled "ease of doing business". Most close one door and open three. The export declaration framework was meant to simplify. It did retire one form. It also brought many service exporters, who never needed a declaration before, under a new one. The bank already knows the money arrived, from whom, and why. So why is the form needed at all? Nobody seems to have asked that question before the rule was written. From the conditions attached to investment vehicles to the paperwork surrounding money already earned abroad, India's tax authorities, RBI and SEBI all leave investors with the same feeling: go away, go away, don't bring your money to India. It is not that India does not want capital. It treats all capital as dirty until proven clean, and so keeps adding layer upon layer of regulation. But policy should be judged by outcomes, not intentions. Judged that way, congratulations: the treatment has worked. So why the panic? We should celebrate. Policy rarely achieves its desired outcome. The operation was successful, though the patient is dead.
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The issue with graph is not the tax rate but the ambiguity or rather randomness 20% - Ablosihed - Exempt - Exempt - 10% - 12.5% India is country of randomness
The Ambiguity Tax: Why a tax cut won’t bring foreign capital back In a recent column, Akash Prakash put net foreign portfolio investor (FPI) outflows from Indian equities since the September 2024 market peak at about $65 billion. Much of the chatter in the media and on social media reduces the explanation to taxation: long-term capital gains tax (LTCG), securities transaction tax (STT), this tax or that tax. The implied solution is equally simple: remove a levy and India will once again become the darling of global capital. A tax cut may change an allocation. It cannot, by itself, repair confidence in the rules. In 1961, Daniel Ellsberg described a choice between two urns. One held 50 red and 50 black balls. The other held 100 balls in an unknown mix. People often preferred to bet on the first urn, whichever colour they were asked to pick. Under the standard model, no single probability estimate for the second urn can justify both preferences. People place a value on knowing the odds. Indian regulation is the second urn. If India shines at anything, it is uncertainty and nightmare paperwork. Rules can change in the middle of an investment's life, and India's history includes retrospective changes as well, the 2012 Vodafone amendment being the best known. For a small fund or investment vehicle, even a new condition governing future contributions can disturb the economics on which money was originally raised. Past investments may remain untouched while the assumptions for the years ahead are rewritten. A single circular can reopen an entire investment thesis. An investor can model a known tax. It is far harder to model a liability that may emerge from a new interpretation of an old transaction. A business can budget for a clearly defined approval process. It struggles when it cannot tell which interpretation will prevail, or when a matter will be considered settled. Such uncertainty can lower the price investors are willing to pay, delay investment, or send capital elsewhere. And much of the ambiguity tax is paid per commitment, not per dollar. A fund of funds considering a $10 million allocation to India can face much of the same tax advice, legal analysis and committee work as one considering $100 million. The smaller cheque therefore carries a heavier burden. When counsel cannot establish how the rules will apply over the life of the fund, the committee may simply pass. The allocation never reaches the stage of negotiating terms. Even GIFT City, built to bring India funds home, is not immune. In October, Artha Bharat, which manages over $800 million there, said it would move two fund structures to Abu Dhabi Global Market, citing tax uncertainty, compliance burden and investor restrictions. That is Ellsberg's second urn, rebuilt inside the institution designed to remove it. Policy in India is designed for the big trees: sovereign funds, global houses and anchor investors who arrive with a battalion of lawyers. But a forest is not made of big trees alone. The grass, shrubs and saplings hold the soil, and without them even the big trees eventually fall. Capital works the same way. Small funds, funds of funds and first-time managers are where tomorrow's large investors and large companies grow. A regime that only the big trees can survive is not an ecosystem. It is a plantation. The hard truth is that investors and entrepreneurs are tired of Indian regulators: of ever-changing, ever-appearing rules and complete uncertainty. So if anyone thinks a tweak to this tax or that tax will reverse the flow of capital, it will not happen. We must remember that tinkering with tax rates does not change the mindset of an administration that defaults to uncertainty and ever-increasing paperwork. FPIs looking to exit at scale were caught in a bind: sell heavily without enough buyers, and their own selling would drive prices down and eat into their returns. Then came the surge of domestic money through SIPs. A steady stream of household savings supplied the buying power to absorb foreign selling, giving FPIs a golden opportunity to exit with less pressure on prices.That buying is a source of market resilience, but it also cushions policymakers from the consequences of investor dissatisfaction. Nobody can assume that households will keep up their SIPs through a prolonged period of disappointing returns. Their monthly contributions should not become an excuse to postpone examining why other investors are reducing their exposure. The same problem now reaches beyond investment into the ordinary business of earning foreign exchange. RBI's new export-declaration framework took effect on 1 October. On 7 October, RBI acknowledged misunderstandings over reporting obligations and clarified that individuals' contracts of a personal nature were outside the requirement. It said FAQs would clarify the position. Yet by 24 October, reports showed individuals and small businesses facing demands for export declaration forms and delays in having overseas service payments credited. SME industry bodies had also asked RBI to stop avoidable professional-certification demands for routine small-value transactions. A business that has completed its work and earned its money is left trying to establish what will satisfy the bank. That gap between the regulator’s explanation and the customer’s experience is the ambiguity tax in practice. It is high time the powers that be re-examined regulation. The lens should not be taxation, round-tripping and who is stealing, but how capital formation can happen and what fair play looks like for people trying to create capital. Almost every new rule now arrives labelled "ease of doing business". Most close one door and open three. The export declaration framework was meant to simplify. It did retire one form. It also brought many service exporters, who never needed a declaration before, under a new one. The bank already knows the money arrived, from whom, and why. So why is the form needed at all? Nobody seems to have asked that question before the rule was written. From the conditions attached to investment vehicles to the paperwork surrounding money already earned abroad, India's tax authorities, RBI and SEBI all leave investors with the same feeling: go away, go away, don't bring your money to India. It is not that India does not want capital. It treats all capital as dirty until proven clean, and so keeps adding layer upon layer of regulation. But policy should be judged by outcomes, not intentions. Judged that way, congratulations: the treatment has worked. So why the panic? We should celebrate. Policy rarely achieves its desired outcome. The operation was successful, though the patient is dead.
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The Ambiguity Tax: Why a tax cut won’t bring foreign capital back In a recent column, Akash Prakash put net foreign portfolio investor (FPI) outflows from Indian equities since the September 2024 market peak at about $65 billion. Much of the chatter in the media and on social media reduces the explanation to taxation: long-term capital gains tax (LTCG), securities transaction tax (STT), this tax or that tax. The implied solution is equally simple: remove a levy and India will once again become the darling of global capital. A tax cut may change an allocation. It cannot, by itself, repair confidence in the rules. In 1961, Daniel Ellsberg described a choice between two urns. One held 50 red and 50 black balls. The other held 100 balls in an unknown mix. People often preferred to bet on the first urn, whichever colour they were asked to pick. Under the standard model, no single probability estimate for the second urn can justify both preferences. People place a value on knowing the odds. Indian regulation is the second urn. If India shines at anything, it is uncertainty and nightmare paperwork. Rules can change in the middle of an investment's life, and India's history includes retrospective changes as well, the 2012 Vodafone amendment being the best known. For a small fund or investment vehicle, even a new condition governing future contributions can disturb the economics on which money was originally raised. Past investments may remain untouched while the assumptions for the years ahead are rewritten. A single circular can reopen an entire investment thesis. An investor can model a known tax. It is far harder to model a liability that may emerge from a new interpretation of an old transaction. A business can budget for a clearly defined approval process. It struggles when it cannot tell which interpretation will prevail, or when a matter will be considered settled. Such uncertainty can lower the price investors are willing to pay, delay investment, or send capital elsewhere. And much of the ambiguity tax is paid per commitment, not per dollar. A fund of funds considering a $10 million allocation to India can face much of the same tax advice, legal analysis and committee work as one considering $100 million. The smaller cheque therefore carries a heavier burden. When counsel cannot establish how the rules will apply over the life of the fund, the committee may simply pass. The allocation never reaches the stage of negotiating terms. Even GIFT City, built to bring India funds home, is not immune. In October, Artha Bharat, which manages over $800 million there, said it would move two fund structures to Abu Dhabi Global Market, citing tax uncertainty, compliance burden and investor restrictions. That is Ellsberg's second urn, rebuilt inside the institution designed to remove it. Policy in India is designed for the big trees: sovereign funds, global houses and anchor investors who arrive with a battalion of lawyers. But a forest is not made of big trees alone. The grass, shrubs and saplings hold the soil, and without them even the big trees eventually fall. Capital works the same way. Small funds, funds of funds and first-time managers are where tomorrow's large investors and large companies grow. A regime that only the big trees can survive is not an ecosystem. It is a plantation. The hard truth is that investors and entrepreneurs are tired of Indian regulators: of ever-changing, ever-appearing rules and complete uncertainty. So if anyone thinks a tweak to this tax or that tax will reverse the flow of capital, it will not happen. We must remember that tinkering with tax rates does not change the mindset of an administration that defaults to uncertainty and ever-increasing paperwork. FPIs looking to exit at scale were caught in a bind: sell heavily without enough buyers, and their own selling would drive prices down and eat into their returns. Then came the surge of domestic money through SIPs. A steady stream of household savings supplied the buying power to absorb foreign selling, giving FPIs a golden opportunity to exit with less pressure on prices.That buying is a source of market resilience, but it also cushions policymakers from the consequences of investor dissatisfaction. Nobody can assume that households will keep up their SIPs through a prolonged period of disappointing returns. Their monthly contributions should not become an excuse to postpone examining why other investors are reducing their exposure. The same problem now reaches beyond investment into the ordinary business of earning foreign exchange. RBI's new export-declaration framework took effect on 1 October. On 7 October, RBI acknowledged misunderstandings over reporting obligations and clarified that individuals' contracts of a personal nature were outside the requirement. It said FAQs would clarify the position. Yet by 24 October, reports showed individuals and small businesses facing demands for export declaration forms and delays in having overseas service payments credited. SME industry bodies had also asked RBI to stop avoidable professional-certification demands for routine small-value transactions. A business that has completed its work and earned its money is left trying to establish what will satisfy the bank. That gap between the regulator’s explanation and the customer’s experience is the ambiguity tax in practice. It is high time the powers that be re-examined regulation. The lens should not be taxation, round-tripping and who is stealing, but how capital formation can happen and what fair play looks like for people trying to create capital. Almost every new rule now arrives labelled "ease of doing business". Most close one door and open three. The export declaration framework was meant to simplify. It did retire one form. It also brought many service exporters, who never needed a declaration before, under a new one. The bank already knows the money arrived, from whom, and why. So why is the form needed at all? Nobody seems to have asked that question before the rule was written. From the conditions attached to investment vehicles to the paperwork surrounding money already earned abroad, India's tax authorities, RBI and SEBI all leave investors with the same feeling: go away, go away, don't bring your money to India. It is not that India does not want capital. It treats all capital as dirty until proven clean, and so keeps adding layer upon layer of regulation. But policy should be judged by outcomes, not intentions. Judged that way, congratulations: the treatment has worked. So why the panic? We should celebrate. Policy rarely achieves its desired outcome. The operation was successful, though the patient is dead.
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No other country has the insane regulation to scrap vehicles after 10 or 15 years that India has in Delhi NCR. It's nothing short of madness, in a country where people use their vehicles for decades; and many can't afford the switch. It's also an environemental disaster in terms of the energy, material, mining and plastic used to create a new vehicle. Can you believe that this crazy resolution was passed by the farce which calls its "National Green Tribunal" but was instead meant as a power and reward system for crony FCRA NGOs.
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India imports fresh fruit to the magnitude of $3.5 billion / INR 33,000 Cr a year !!!
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Of Jalebis, Calculus, and Why Indian Corporate Treasuries Prefer Liquid Mutual Funds to Frontier Tech Every few months arguments about U Economy vs Indian economy flares up online. The pundits open their spreadsheets and, depending on which way they lean, either mourn or celebrate the gap. The reasons offered are always the same. Size. History. Capital. Talent. Race. R&D budgets. Almost nobody names the one that matters. 🧵
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The gap between the US and India isn’t economic size. It’s risk appetite. SpaceX, worth nearly two trillion dollars, has bought Cursor for sixty billion. Shrink that to Indian scale and then ask this simple question. Can we picture a billion-dollar Indian company handing a sixty-million-dollar exit to a young startup? We cannot. Our balance sheets are not small. Our appetite for risk is. Economy size does not create risk capital. Risk-taking creates economy size. svickram.substack.com/p/of-j…
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Not me. My bullish stand in India is paying off. And India‘s comeback is not so „quiet“ given that India is about to reach a deal with the US, has signed FTA with the EU, stabilized the relationship with China and is expanding ties with Russia. No other actor has managed that.
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While Hindi headlines scream “RBI ने 7 लाख करोड़ झोंके,” a Korean economist is pointing out India has grown above 7% for five straight years, and IMF, ADB and World Bank have all raised forecasts. The data hasn’t changed. Looks like Indian media is more negative on India vs global institutions
Nearly all major forecasters, including the IMF, ADB and World Bank, have recently raised their growth forecasts for India to above 7% for this year AND next. Remarkable in itself - even more so when viewed against India’s recent performance. (1/n)
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I just wonder why such a sensational and fundamentally wrong headline is being pushed by media houses: “RBI ने रुपये झोंक दिए.” RBI simply sold USD and got INR back. That’s a transaction, so is not that RB is burning cash in some stupid manner - whats going on, attempt to create mass hysteria on these things also ?
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This experiment started wayback in India in 70s and 80s and result is everywhere
How a civilisational nation can be destroyed without defeating its army! Critical lesson for Indians in these times from Douglas Kruger, who uses Poland in this case study:
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“expected to weaken toward the end of the year (2026) and mid-2027, and a 100 rupee-per-dollar mark could not be ruled out, strategists said.” This is wrong but this is the baseline of expectations, despite the balanced external account even in times of stress. This baseline in turn dampens financial flows and encourages gold imports. RBI is rightly starting to break this loop, and it will succeed. 100 is not happening. This is not a point of academic nuance. This is how real markets work. They are path dependent. And there is no “stable” equilibrium.
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Quoting “5 months of import cover” without context is fear mongering. Most people read it as “India runs out of dollars in 5 months.” It won’t. The number uses gross imports, as if India’s ~$975bn of exports, services and remittances stopped overnight. On the net gap, the FY26 current account deficit was $25bn (0.6% of GDP). $432bn covers that 17 times over. 2026’s drawdown came from capital outflows and rupee defence, not trade. The real test is reserves versus short-term debt and hot money. And the toolkit isn’t just a rate hike or an LRS cut. In 2013 the FCNR(B) swap window did more than either.
India has $735bn in forex reserves. The RBI can use far less of it. Nearly $200bn is owed back on forward contracts. Take that and gold out, and usable reserves are about $432bn. That covers about 5 months of imports, the lowest since 2011. This week's measures, a dollar window for oil companies and curbs on hedging, are paid for from the same pile. Two tools are left: a sharp rate hike, or an LRS cut. In 2013, LRS went from $200,000 to $75,000. Source: Ambit Capital Note, 14 Oct 2026
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Mr Hanke is quoting a golden rule which is named as Hanke Golden Rule -- 😂😂 Only diff between Astrologers and Economists are that Astrologers are right some time
#IndiaWatch🇮🇳: India's money supply (M3) is EXPLODING. It's growing at 17.3%/yr. The 6-month annualized rate is 20.2%. The 3-month annualized rate is 31.5%. THIS SPELLS TROUBLE. Hanke's Golden Growth Rate for M3 is 10.2%/yr, a rate consistent with hitting India's 4% inflation target. IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT INFLATION IS SURGING AND IS WELL ABOVE THE TARGET. THE RBI = LOSING CONTROL.
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Suppose that once a week, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this: The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing. The fifth would pay £1. The sixth would pay £3. The seventh would pay £7. The eighth would pay £12. The ninth would pay £18. And the tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.  So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every week and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until, one day, the owner caused them a little problem. “Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your weekly beer by £20.” Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free but what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realized that £20 divided by six is £3.33, but if they subtracted that from everybody’s share then not only would the first four men still be drinking for free but the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.  So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fairer to reduce each man’s bill by a higher percentage. They decided to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay. And so, the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (a 100% saving). The sixth man now paid £2 instead of £3 (a 33% saving). The seventh man now paid £5 instead of £7 (a 28% saving). The eighth man now paid £9 instead of £12 (a 25% saving). The ninth man now paid £14 instead of £18 (a 22% saving). And the tenth man now paid £49 instead of £59 (a 16% saving).  Each of the last six was better off than before with the first four continuing to drink for free.  But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings. “I only got £1 out of the £20 saving,” declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, “but he got £10!“  “Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a £1 too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!”  “That’s true!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get £10 back, when I only got £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!”  “Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison, “we didn’t get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!” The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.  The next week the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important – they didn’t have enough money between all of them to pay for even half of the bill!  And that’s how it works. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.  For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
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If your friends wouldn’t attempt a $5B hostile takeover for you, upgrade your circle. The masculine urge to build a friendship strong enough to trigger antitrust concerns.
The King of Hostile Takeovers Larry Ellison fought hostile takeovers the way Napoleon fought campaigns. He chose the moment of maximum vulnerability, committed fully and attacked the target’s weakest point:
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"When economic competition is suppressed by the design of a political system, hierarchy does not disappear. It migrates into the state. People then compete for bureaucratic rank, party membership, favored occupations, access to planners" skeptic.com/article/an-evolu…
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"The more power a man acquires...the more he depends on other people for information...yet through fear or awe or self-preservation, those people often become less willing to tell him what they think he doesn’t want to hear, leaving him increasingly insulated from reality" colossus.com/article/mark-zu…
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