The problem is the conversation is largely dominated by puritans and porn addicts. Hyposexuals vs. hypersexuals. The puritans are emboldened because the largest and loudest voice opposing them are openly, loudly fetishistic and permissive of absolutely everything. And if you even try and take a more moderate stance of "the proliferation of fetishes in this fandom and media is getting out of hand," or "hey maybe we, the public, don't need to know what strangers beat off to," you're lumped in with the puritans. None of this "gatekeeps" the puritans, it just makes them look/feel right. Obviously sex MUST be an issue within the anime space, look at these people! Every other social media post is either about their gooning, or railing against censorship, and the censorship they always rail on about is related to gooning! You don't gatekeep people by manifesting every stereotype in their mind that validates their worldview. Because the puritans are emboldened by all this, they become louder, more motivated, and have the materials to make a case to the less involved that sex in anime, and especially the fandom, is an issue. When normal people push back against the puritans, they then get lumped in with the porn addicts, who inevitably WILL show up, shouting louder than the normal people. Like the loli debate; yes, they are not real and no one is getting hurt. It is not CP. But "CunnyConqueror" making "old enough to count, old enough to mount" posts is the absolute worst person to join in that conversation. He's the perfect person for the anti-loli people to point to and say "see? We're right." The well is poisoned to the point where the water is a deep purple and audibly bubbling. The smoke coming out of that water is skull-shaped. The anime fandom didn't just fail to gatekeep, it failed to clean house, just like the furries did. Now, any and all discourse is dominated by retards. And it will never, ever end.