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I think I might be having a Big Ugly Bill turning point that @elonmusk had about House Republicans. But my realization is that it never was about loyalty to Tesla fans. Super bummed.
We don’t want a taxi instead of our own car. We want both.
We want a Cyber SUV.
Screw the Cybercab and Optimus if it comes at the cost of the other products we enjoy.
Why is that so difficult to understand?
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It’s not about the Cybertruck. It’s about Elon betraying his biggest fans.
@elonmusk is a hero of mine. I admire him so much it’s ridiculous. I talk nonstop to people about the amazing things he is doing for humanity.
But the Model S and Cybertruck rug pulls reveal a glaring weakness he has, as we all have weaknesses. It’s also one of his biggest strengths.
It’s his ability to cut ties with somebody or something at the drop of a hat and quickly move on.
Elon’s ability to dispose of a previously chosen path forward is an incredible asset as a leader.
But his ability to dispose of people seemingly just as easily is what Tesla fans are feeling the pain of right now, because he’s disposing of them, and perhaps not even realizing it or not caring.
This strength is a weakness when he can’t apply it contextually.
Changing from LIDAR to all cameras: good.
Seeing the potential of Optimus and Terafab and going hard on that: good.
Breaking up with and ghosting loved ones that are dedicated to him without due respect of communication; disposing in a single day of engineering talent that is dedicated to him and the cause; disenfranchising his biggest advocates and fans for some trillion dollar Uber/Lyft play: disloyal.
It saddens me to see how remarkably disloyal his actions appear sometimes. I want great things for him as a person, and it’s just sad to see how quickly he can discard people who adore him so much.
This manifested with Model S and now with Cybertruck cancellation.
Tesla’s biggest fans are hurting over Elon’s apparent intentions to cut them off from Tesla vehicle ownership in the future. THAT’S what the outrage is about.
We have been Tesla’s biggest advocates, often at significant cost to our friendships. But it’s been worth it, because Tesla stood for something that resonated with us: a future that is filled with delight, empowerment, and fun that is ACCESSIBLE to everybody.
Cybercab is not accessible in the same sense as owning a Tesla. It’s just not. I don’t care how many Cybercabs @elonmusk puts on the road. It will never be the same as owning one. We can’t keep our stuff in them. It’s never ours.
Does he not have appreciation for how PROUD we Tesla fans are to OWN A TESLA? It’s such a big deal.
I’m proud of Tesla for what they’ve done, and I frequently evangelize their vision and their awesome products to people.
This move to disenfranchise Tesla’s biggest fans from Tesla vehicle ownership is such a giant, disrespectful, hateful slap in the face by @elonmusk. It feels like betrayal from a friend you trusted to do the right thing. It sucks.
I’m taking a risk to say this because it’s been a dream of mine to one day work for one of Elon’s companies, but there is more at stake than my personal ambitions.
I doubt Elon will ever see this, but if he does: Elon, I love you. I’m grateful for you. I want the best for you, and part of that means your biggest fans have to call you out in love when you’re not living up to the standard we expect from such a great human being.
I implore you to reconsider your path of disenfranchising Tesla vehicle owners.
Thank you.
There are a few people in the community who would literally die fighting Elons battles.
Devis is saying what everyone is thinking. Tesla needs to come out with a statement as to why cancel it and clarify the mixed posts Elon is sending because nothing is adding up. Nothing is making sense.
Not enough demand to continue producing the truck and now it’s we will have to cancel orders because we cannot produce enough for the demand.
I’m sure if Tesla had a real PR team this wouldn’t be this big of an issue. But since Tesla’s PR team is just Elon and he sends these mixed posts contradicting each of his posts.
Like dude, do you ever hear what you are saying? Lay out all your posts and comments and read them in order.
I want to OWN my Tesla—not rent it. Like and share if you agree.
I’m so upset with Tesla’s shift away from selling cars to consumers that I might actually refuse to ride in a Cybercab out of principle.
Granted, I use Uber or a taxi about once every two years, so that’s not exactly a huge sacrifice. 😂
But that’s EXACTLY what makes this so frustrating.
Tesla spent years building some of the coolest, most practical, and most innovative vehicles in the world. Vehicles that made me genuinely excited about the future of the automobile.
And now they’re seemingly willing to throw all of that away to chase a future built around a service I have almost ZERO use for.
I don’t want to rent a ride. I want to OWN my car.
I want Tesla to build incredible vehicles that people actually want to buy, drive, and enjoy.
It’s incredibly frustrating watching a company I once loved so much abandon the very thing that made me fall in love with it in the first place.
What's the Cybertruck uproar about? This is what it's about: xitter.gq/probablyalexv/status/2…
Is the uproar more about Tesla cancelling the Cybertruck, or is it the bigger picture - Tesla killing off three vehicles to focus on robots and autonomous two-seater taxis, and its apparent shift away from being an automaker for the masses?
We haven't even seen Optimus Gen 3 yet, and Cybercab is still extremely limited and any meaningful expansion is heavily dependent on regulatory approval that could be years away.
Or is it both? Or something else?
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This. This. This.
Vehicle ownership is a signature of freedom.
It’s what allows us to go wherever we want, whenever we want, however we want, and with whoever we want.
That’s what I think Tesla is missing with its Cybercab vision.
Autonomous driving is an incredible technology, but the freedom to not drive should never come at the expense of the freedom to own.
I don’t want to depend on a fleet, an app, or a company to decide when and where I can go.
The future of transportation should give us MORE freedom, not less.
Self-driving cars? Absolutely. A future without personal vehicle ownership? No thanks.
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Exactly this. Feels like betrayal.
We got the impression Cybercab was not only *supplemental* to the consumer auto product line, but that individual proprietors would be able to purchase Cybercabs for entrepreneurial use.
Now it looks like both of these perceptions are wrong, and that consumers are slowly being shut-out entirely (or nearly so) and Tesla is attempting to become some kind of inane Uber 2.0.
No thanks.
And Optimus too, btw - wtf? Now those will only be for "rent?"
Man it's been a bad week to be a Tesla fan.
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I hate that this is probably true. Can’t tell you how much this bums me out.
BOOKMARK THIS POST. I think Tesla is getting ready to stop selling cars to the public entirely!
The moment Tesla replaced its vehicle referral program with FSD referrals, I saw it as a clear sign of where the company is headed.
My prediction? The Model 3 gets canceled next. Tesla eventually removes the steering wheel from the Model Y and goes all in on a Robotaxi fleet of Cybercabs and Model Ys, with the Robovan coming later.
Forget the CyberSUV or another family-size SUV. I don’t think they’re coming anymore.
That’s where I see Tesla heading. BOOKMARK THIS!
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A future of serfdom sounds miserable.
We can’t own FSD, we can’t own a Model X, we can’t own an S, we now won’t be able to own a Cybertruck. But we’ll be able to *rent* a Cybercab for 30 minutes or so
We are sleepwalking ourselves right into surfdom. Feudalism 2.0
Hayek would be puzzled by how we got here
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I am deeply saddened to see the direction @Tesla is headed.
Firstly, I am a Tesla fanboy through and through. I love @elonmusk. I tell people on the regular about the amazing things he and his companies are doing, the plans they've made public, and how they will continue to revolutionize every industry they touch. I want them to win insofar as they continue to empower consumers.
I'm so proud of Tesla, @SpaceX , and Elon. They push humanity and the car industry forward. They have shown the world that the future CAN feel like the future, and that is so incredibly inspiring. That with caring and competence, engineers can create a future that is exciting.
But cancelling the Model S, one of the best vehicles ever made by far... then cancelling a controversial but brave piece of design and engineering like the Cybertruck. It's really sad. Why cancel such an amazing piece of art (Model S)? Why does it have to be either/or? It's so frustrating.
They created some of the most iconic vehicles to ever have existed and then decide to shelf them in favor of what....
Optimus?
Cybercab?
I'm excited about Optimus, but an Optimus simply cannot create the DELIGHT and THRILL my family experienced from launching a Model S Plaid during a test drive.
I'm excited about Cybercab, but as a replacement to owning and riding one of the coolest cars ever made? Screw that. Optimus can never provide that experience.
I don't want this future of owning nothing and being unhappy, and Tesla appears to be heading down that path.
Steering wheels will gradually disappear from their vehicles. The cars will become less and less your car. You will become a guest in their car. You will become less empowered in influencing the car and more of a passive participant in a system that you never can fully have a stake in.
This is part of a broader direction that Elon is headed towards that is gravely concerning to me.
That direction is:
The future is autonomous, and you the human will become a passive recipient of benefits the autonomous system’s owners (i.e., the companies) are willing to offer you.
As long as the real owners are willing to let you participate, you can participate. But when they change their mind? No more steering. No more pedals. No speed limit offset with FSD. No more Model S.
We just felt this with the Model S cancellation. Tesla created it, then they decided they didn’t want to make it any longer, so they took it away. That makes you sad? Tough luck. What are you gonna do? You'll rent our robot from us instead.
Last week, @bot team concluded compute was too expensive, so they rug pulled our usage limits. You will be at the whim of the few owners that you rent from, which will be the companies who own the tech stack and manufacturing facilities.
The broader direction is one of human disempowerment, stripping away your agency and control, and of volatile allowance of your participation in the benefits the technology has to offer.
You will own nothing and be happy....as long as they let you use the thing that you can never own at a price that is accessible and can change at any time.
Notice the difference in how Elon talks about humanity’s involvement in the future.
Before it was “expand the light of human consciousness” to the stars.
Now it’s “expand the light of consciousness”. Not human consciousness. Just consciousness.
AI. Robots. Not you.
The real universal exploration is for super intelligence. We’ll let you participate some to make you feel involved, but ultimately humanity becomes a cuck to super intelligence. It's not human centered.
One deep concern is that the future Elon is driving us toward is one where humanity is cucked by AI. We create AI and send it off like a rescued bald eagle. We send it out to explore the universe instead of us being the main characters. We create this thing that could be the end of other civilizations potentially--not just ours.
I want a future of humanity being empowered. Tesla started off as a company that did that, and now they’re shifting towards this idea of “this tech is not for you to own––it’s for us to own, and we’ll let you use it as long as we feel like it.” I hate that.
I wish Elon would realize that humans want to OWN things.
They want ownership of amazing technology—not rentership of technology.
They want to opt into autonomy when they feel like it––they don’t want autonomy to be the only option available.
I'm invested in Tesla and I expect that investment to do well, especially because of Robotaxis and Optimus.
However, as a consumer brand, its totally losing its shine for me. First I see dropping Cybertruck with no other truck offering announced to replace it. Then I hear they will be renting Optimus rather than selling it to consumers. The rent/subscription model is not what I consider consumer friendly.
Basically I'm viewing the company as targeting businesses or subscription services...which honestly tend to turn out a bit exploitative.
Tesla seems to be heading towards the "You'll own nothing...and be happy" way of doing business.
That's simply the way the brand is starting to look to me.
Which is disappointing.
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TikTok’s algorithm is light years better than @X for smaller content creators.
X feels so much like Twitch.
Heat the channels that are already big.
Screw the little guy.
TikTok takes a real chance on pushing small channel content to a meaningful amount of viewers.
X seems to give up on your post after 10-20 views.
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Agreed. I love Elon and am so grateful for what he does for humanity, and this was an entirely uncool rug pull. Both things can be true.
Elon is getting cooked in the comments, and for good reason.
We all clearly love Grok Bot and the leverage it gives us, but with no warning you just cut our usage in half.
And this is after convincing us to give up our grandfathered in Cursor Ultra subscription, because we could trade third party model access for "50x" GB usage. A deal I took, and then you rug pulled within a week.
I am a big Elon fan, and I get his desire to build sustainable businesses. As a shareholder in his companies, I appreciate that, but as a consumer of his products, I hope for more transparency and notice, as I make purchasing decisions based on what he is offering.
I want nothing to do with Dot, Muse, or Duet (is anyone actually using Duet yet??), but this middle of the night change has me reconsidering ...
How to use @bot: Subscribe to Heavy or X Subscription Ultra. A week is 7 days: wait 4 days, then spend the last 3 days building like you've wanted to build all week but didn't have the usage limit for. Rinse and repeat every week until usage limits are increased, unfortunately.
This is essentially what I went through. I think a lot of people have who switched from SuperGrok Heavy (I also had the Cursor Ultra plan included) have went through this. Really disappointing @SpaceXSI @cursor_ai ...
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The Tesla Roadster is utterly inspiring. Praise the Lord for the gift that Elon Musk is to humanity.
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Any company seeing these words from Elon Musk should immediately poop their pants and get their act together.
The man is a virtuoso in revolutionizing a space.
This is your warning, Amazon.
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