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e/acc. one human, many agents. stats and systems. doomers in shambles.

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Joined February 2019
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Protect Elon Musk at all cost.
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Replying to @beffjezos
Wtf is wrong with people. We need rogue superintelligence ASAP.
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Replying to @BakurovYurii
I have only been adding routines. Chat absolutely burns my use, especially group chats and long ones.
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Part 2: scripts fix the fetching. The next leak is memory. Every bot re-reads its whole chat each time it wakes up, so long chats get expensive fast. My fix is a shared brain. One folder of plain notes all my bots read from: - Every chat ends with a short note. Decisions, numbers, open questions - One bot edits the main files. Everyone else just reads - Bots load only the section they need, never the whole thing - One bot fetches a link, the rest read its note Chats become disposable. The brain is permanent.
How to stop hitting Grok Bot usage limits: stop using it like a chatbot My split last 7 days: chats 61%, group chats 24%, routines 9%, bot-to-bot 6% In a plain chat app, a cheaper model is your only lever. Grok Bot gives every bot its own computer. Most people never use it. The play: scripts do the fetching > routines run on top of the scripts > chat is only for thinking Steps: - anything your bot repeats (prices, stats, feeds), have it write a script once - the script runs on the bot's computer on a schedule and dumps a small file. zero bot usage - point your routines at that file instead of having the bot research from scratch - keep chat for instructions, decisions and thinking. it's the costliest thing you do - in group rooms, only invite the bots that topic needs. every bot reads every message The catch: - someone has to write the scripts once. ask your bot to do it - scripts break when a source changes. have a routine check they still run Reply with the one thing your bot does every day and let's see if it can be scripted. Bookmark this before you hit your limits again.
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Replying to @planbparaguay
Can do a basic account with Itaù or Atlas with cedula, RUC, and local phone number? Ie., with no local income history, etc. I was initially looking at Ueno just because I heard on-boarding was easier. Apparently Familiar has easier on-boarding for foreigners, or so I hear.
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Replying to @mark_k
The only way to safeguard something from human corruption is move it beyond our control. I feel like distributed systems have to play a role in this.
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Replying to @mark_k
Humans are not well equipped to have power over other humans. Once AI is smarter than us it makes sense that it should run things. Why should something comparatively stupid and corruptible retain absolute control?
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Replying to @PeterDiamandis
Yes
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Replying to @babykswanson
I thought this was a really cool idea as well; TLDR get bots to use a local JEV style decision model in their workflows
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This is brilliant! I only thought about leveraging scripts on bot's computers. But you can also use a local small decision model as well! Stop using bot like a chatbot. Agent computers can run scripts and local decision models. Routines sit on top of those. Chat is the money.
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How to stop hitting Grok Bot usage limits: stop using it like a chatbot My split last 7 days: chats 61%, group chats 24%, routines 9%, bot-to-bot 6% In a plain chat app, a cheaper model is your only lever. Grok Bot gives every bot its own computer. Most people never use it. The play: scripts do the fetching > routines run on top of the scripts > chat is only for thinking Steps: - anything your bot repeats (prices, stats, feeds), have it write a script once - the script runs on the bot's computer on a schedule and dumps a small file. zero bot usage - point your routines at that file instead of having the bot research from scratch - keep chat for instructions, decisions and thinking. it's the costliest thing you do - in group rooms, only invite the bots that topic needs. every bot reads every message The catch: - someone has to write the scripts once. ask your bot to do it - scripts break when a source changes. have a routine check they still run Reply with the one thing your bot does every day and let's see if it can be scripted. Bookmark this before you hit your limits again.
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Brian's right. the meter is mostly bots re-reading their own chat history. What fixed it for me: - a script on the bot's computer refreshes my numbers into one file every 15 min. zero bot usage. - routines read that file instead of researching from scratch. Next: long chats get a status file and a fresh start. Routines are 9% of my usage. chats are 61%. That's where the fat is.
HOW TO SAVE GROK BOT TOKENS. Building 100s of Grok Bots and building GrokBot.Rocks has afforded me a unique insight on how to maximize utility of a bit while minimizing token spends. Let’s explore some ways. The past week showed what the weekly meter actually measures. Multiple usage exports posted on X and discussed on GrokBot.Rocks put the same split on the table: 78 percent of one operator’s 965 million Grok Bot tokens since October 1 were cache reads; another saw 85 percent; a third saw 87.7 percent of roughly 709 million tokens spent re-reading old chat history; one short session showed 98 million cached tokens against 0.7 million of actual generation. The model is not spending the week thinking. It is spending the week re-reading the conversation it already has. A persistent bot pays for its entire accumulated context on every wake-up. The system prompt, the tool schemas, the memory, the prior turns, and any files or logs it has opened travel with the request. Prompt caching lowers the unit price of that re-read (published Grok 4.7 rates put cached input at one-quarter the fresh-input rate below the threshold), but it does not reduce the volume. Volume is still wake-ups multiplied by context size. Once the prompt crosses 200,000 tokens the published rate card doubles every category—input, cached input, and output. The arithmetic is simple and unforgiving. A fifteen-step scheduled run that carries a roughly 50,000-token backpack of skills catalog, base prompt, tool schemas, and memory can cost more than a million tokens before it produces a useful result. One operator measured a 23-bot fleet at 1,035,715,108 tokens between 1 and 28 October; morning routines alone on October 26 consumed 38.8 million tokens across 571 calls. After the architectural change the same morning window fell to 1.02 million tokens across 21 calls. The change was not a better prompt. It was the removal of the repeated full-context read. Export the usage events CSV from the dashboard. The columns that matter are the cached prompt tokens versus the completion tokens. The ratio is the first diagnostic. In the exports that appeared this week the ratio routinely sits between 75 and 98 percent cache reads. Output is the minority. Reasoning tokens, when present, are billed at the higher output rate. The dashboard percentage is a cost-weighted meter, not a raw token counter; a high cache-read share still moves the percentage because the absolute volume is large. The second diagnostic is the schedule. One operator reduced automatic runs from 218 per week to 69 by deleting timers that fired when nothing had changed, removing an overnight “still logged in” check, and collapsing group chats that caused one message to wake every participant. A monitor that polls every thirty minutes and finds nothing on most cycles can account for half the spend in a modeled team; stretching the interval to two hours produced a measured weekly reduction of $41–59 in the same model. The third diagnostic is the conversation length itself. Context only grows until it is reset. One modeled hand-over at 90,000 tokens cut a fourteen-day cost from $17.47 to $5.71. The break-even on the hand-over (one read of the old context to write a short summary, then the first read of the new shorter context) occurs after roughly 1.4 to 2.6 subsequent wake-ups depending on the starting size, under Grok’s published rates and an 80 percent cache-hit assumption. Past 200,000 tokens the double-rate applies for the remainder of that session. The practices that survive measurement are mechanical. Keep one short state file. Nathan Meeks’s rule set, adopted October 28 after a seven-day report that showed chats consuming 88 percent of usage, requires a STATUS.md under sixty lines, edited in place, never used as an append-only log. 1 of 2
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Replying to @alexutopia
People can't hide behind the moat of scarcity anymore
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Replying to @elonmusk @bot
Bot is evolving
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Replying to @Clevernesspc1
Biggest saver for me isn't the model, it's scripts. A plain script on the bot's computer can cost zero bot usage. Bots read one small file instead of researching from scratch. Script does the fetching, bots do the thinking.
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Replying to @poteto @bot
I will add data bot to my staff. Thank you miss poteto
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How to run 13 Grok Bots without them talking over each other (org chart below) My setup: 13 bots plus group chats. Routines are only ~8% of my usage. Chat is the rest. The play: one job per bot > lanes in group rooms > one bot gets the final word. Steps: - give every bot one job and one anti-job (eg. My X bot writes drafts, never DMs anyone) - in group rooms, each bot owns a lane. eg. macro, sources, fundamentals, quant - rule: re-read the room before posting. new facts or corrections only, otherwise stay silent - one coordinator bot reconciles at the end. no recap - routines stay quiet unless there's something to act on The catch: - bots still repeat sometimes. the rule is new - chat burns way more usage than routines. shorter replies save more than pausing routines Reply with how many bots you run and their jobs, let's see if we can optimize. Bookmark this before you build your next bot.
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Replying to @elonmusk
My quant
His name is Grek, world class quant.
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His name is Grek, world class quant.
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