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EH28YOR retweeted
Well, Professor Sanjeev Bagai is a BC Roy award winning Indian pediatrician, neonatologist, and pediatric nephrologist based in New Delhi, India.
He is NOT an influencer or an influencer doctor that Deepinder Goyal claim others to be, who are trying to sabotage his humanity saving device.
Prof. Bagai specifies that Temple Device sold for 85000/- rupees is actually not even worth calling a wellness or fitness device. All doctors cannot be on Twitter or on media doing this. But the few ones who are, including myself, speak for the ones who care about the public, and are rational, when we say, TEMPLE is India's original scam, like Elizabeth Holmes did it for Theranos and the USA. No doubts about it.
It's basic foundational science is deadass. Like shipping a mummy from Egypt, calling it your Mama and waiting for it to respond.
#The5PMBrief | Temple vs medics: “Anything marketed in the name of wellness sells well in India. This is not a device intended for medical purposes.”
Dr Sanjeev Bagai, Nephron Clinic Chief
@poonam_burde | #TempleInvestment #MedicalCommunity #ScienceVsFaith #ScientificClaims #HealthDebate
EH28YOR retweeted
Stuff that gets peer-reviewed and gets published by reliable sources is called Research. 'Musings from Head of Science at Temple' is a blog article, not research.
Temple has zero peer-reviewed publication. Its 'scientific' claims are as yet unverified. Burden of establishing results sits with Temple.
Temple's stand is 'Our internal reports count as Science. Contest these on our terms if you can.' This is bull.
Note that I have nothing against it being marketed as a high-end wearable. Several business models are premised on a fool and his money being parted. Temple is not going to be the first.
Apologies where they are due: last night, I should not have bucketed all Indian doctors into one single box. We work with so many of them. Even my elder brother is one of them.
All my emotion last night was directed at a few influencer doctors, who are more influencers than doctors. They did not read our research in detail, and spread twisted facts to call something new a scam. They get views by piling on us. They wouldn't do that to a startup doing the same thing from some other first-time founder, because it would not get them views.
That's actually more a reflection of their petty mindset, than other doctors, our country, or our team.
Happy Diwali everyone! Have a good one. Keep building. We have a long way to go.
EH28YOR retweeted
Temple seems to be the Homeopathy of wearables, essentially.
A lot of you have pinged me to ask - why are you doing Temple? Why did you leave a ~$35b company you founded 18 years ago to chase a niche health wearable? This doesn’t sound rational.
Why did I leave Eternal? What are we building at Temple? What’s our vision statement? What do we have in store for humanity?
I am going to tell you in 4 hours from now (drafting the note as we speak). Stay tuned.
PS – holier-than-thou Indian doctors can skip this lol.
EH28YOR retweeted
Good candidate to head the Flat Earth Society.
Only judging by this response.
Dear Concerned Indian Doctors,
I see your rage against Temple on X. I have a few points
to make:
1. First and foremost, a business lesson: if Temple were a scam, and any of what we said weren't true, people would know it in just a few days of using Temple. We have 14-day, no-questions-asked returns (which even Apple doesn't offer in India). If the product doesn't work, it fails out of the gate and the company dies before recovering a tenth of its R&D.
2. We have already spent $30m building Temple, $20m out of which is my own money. Selling a few thousand devices recovers a small fraction of this investment. A scam that pays nothing is not a scam anyone would run.
3. I left the Eternal CEO role to chase purpose with Temple. This is not about money. I have enough of it to last for generations. My incentives are fully aligned with getting the science right. I am not staking a reputation earned over 20 years on making a quick buck.
4. Our employees bought into our round a few months ago. The round we're raising now is mostly our customers. Scams don't build that cap table.
5. Most wearable companies start with internal studies. Whoop shipped its band in 2015, and the first published validation followed a few years later. We hold ourselves to a higher standard; pre-prints are a step prior to peer reviewed publications, and they are coming up.
6. At some point you have to stick your neck out and say: we believe in our science, and the product is now valuable enough for people to pay for and use. We believe we are there. More validation continues in public.
7. We are confident that we are building something that the world is going to be positively astonished with. We stand by our science and our methods. Each of our claims is easily verifiable by individuals and institutions alike, and you will see a lot of independent studies come up on their own when the device becomes available to use.
Last but not the least, the most ground breaking features in Temple are not even public yet. And some of them, thankfully, have nothing to do with doctors 🤭
Hope this addresses some or all of your concerns. If not, keep raging 😘🤗
EH28YOR retweeted
चंदा चोरी गीत मेरे यूट्यूब पर अपलोड हो चुका है. ख़ुद भी सुनिए, सबको सुनाइये.
ये रहा लिंक - youtu.be/EIFokJe-z-U?si=IjjE…
EH28YOR retweeted
Shit post by a social media influencer with no background in science trying to guilt-trip people
It's truly heartbreaking to see how people in India are discouraging innovation in India itself. If you don't like a product, simply don't buy it. Nobody is forcing you. Temple is offering a lifetime subscription to its product, and naturally, it will take time to build, improve and deliver everything.
The same people who are aggressively criticising Temple happily spend ₹70,000 on an shit Apple Watch that, in their opinion, doesn't even deliver 20% of what Temple or several other fitness trackers offer. Yet, they rarely question those brands with the same intensity.
Honestly, Indians themselves are becoming the biggest obstacles to Indian innovation. If someone is genuinely trying to build something, give them a chance. Allow founders some time to learn, improve and prove themselves. Raging against a startup on X within the first week of its launch doesn't just discourage its founders; it sends a dangerous message to thousands of aspiring entrepreneurs who might think twice before building something in India.
Criticise products constructively, demand accountability, but don't kill innovation before it even gets a chance to grow.
@deepigoyal @temple
EH28YOR retweeted
E20 बना 420 - जनता की गाड़ी से पेट्रोल चोरी!
मोदी सरकार कहती है - पेट्रोल में 20% एथेनॉल है। कर्नाटक सरकार ने 7 ज़िलों से पेट्रोल के सैंपल लेकर मान्यता प्राप्त लैब में जाँच करवाई।
नतीजा देखिए
- 14 में से 11 सैंपल में 20% से ज़्यादा एथेनॉल
- IOCL में 31.2%, HPCL में 30.5%
- IOCL, HPCL, BPCL, Nayara, Shell - सरकारी हों या प्राइवेट - सब सीमा से ऊपर
- और कंपनियों की अपनी लैब ने एथेनॉल की मात्रा रिपोर्ट में लिखी ही नहीं
मतलब आप पैसा महंगे पेट्रोल का दे रहे हैं, टंकी में एथेनॉल भरा जा रहा है। नुकसान किसका? आपका।
आपकी गाड़ी इतना एथेनॉल पचाने के लिए बनी ही नहीं - मतलब, घटता माइलेज, बार-बार मैकेनिक। शौक से ली गई गाड़ी की बर्बादी।
और पंप पर लिखा तक नहीं कि टंकी में क्या डाला जा रहा है - चुनने का कोई विकल्प नहीं।
मोदी जी, बताइए - देश की टंकी में क्या भरा जा रहा है? पेट्रोल में असल में कितना एथेनॉल है? 20% से ज़्यादा मिलावट करने वाली कंपनियों पर कार्रवाई कब होगी?
और डिबेट की चुनौती अब भी खड़ी है। ये मुद्दा भी जोड़ लेंगे - आपकी नीतियों से असल में फ़ायदा किसे हो रहा है?
EH28YOR retweeted
How the hell do I trust a guy whose company is valued at ₹3 Lakh Crore and which delivers food packets and toor dal packets to customers?
Q1. Publish your Research Papers
Q2. Publish your peer reviews and they better have some credible institutions, not the IITs
Q3. Publish your Patent Details & the LFN Information
Seriously - When Qualified Professionals claim it is a scam, you respond with HARD CORE SCIENCE not with Venture Capitalist BS that everyone from Byju Ravindran to Bhavish Agarwal has used to no avail
Dear Concerned Indian Doctors,
I see your rage against Temple on X. I have a few points
to make:
1. First and foremost, a business lesson: if Temple were a scam, and any of what we said weren't true, people would know it in just a few days of using Temple. We have 14-day, no-questions-asked returns (which even Apple doesn't offer in India). If the product doesn't work, it fails out of the gate and the company dies before recovering a tenth of its R&D.
2. We have already spent $30m building Temple, $20m out of which is my own money. Selling a few thousand devices recovers a small fraction of this investment. A scam that pays nothing is not a scam anyone would run.
3. I left the Eternal CEO role to chase purpose with Temple. This is not about money. I have enough of it to last for generations. My incentives are fully aligned with getting the science right. I am not staking a reputation earned over 20 years on making a quick buck.
4. Our employees bought into our round a few months ago. The round we're raising now is mostly our customers. Scams don't build that cap table.
5. Most wearable companies start with internal studies. Whoop shipped its band in 2015, and the first published validation followed a few years later. We hold ourselves to a higher standard; pre-prints are a step prior to peer reviewed publications, and they are coming up.
6. At some point you have to stick your neck out and say: we believe in our science, and the product is now valuable enough for people to pay for and use. We believe we are there. More validation continues in public.
7. We are confident that we are building something that the world is going to be positively astonished with. We stand by our science and our methods. Each of our claims is easily verifiable by individuals and institutions alike, and you will see a lot of independent studies come up on their own when the device becomes available to use.
Last but not the least, the most ground breaking features in Temple are not even public yet. And some of them, thankfully, have nothing to do with doctors 🤭
Hope this addresses some or all of your concerns. If not, keep raging 😘🤗
EH28YOR retweeted
The strategic mistake Goyal made was trying to market this Temple grift as a scientific breakthrough. Instead if he’d somehow concocted a (Hindu) religious connection, like it catching divine vibrations & redistributing them in the body, the entire RW would have backed him.
Dear Concerned Indian Doctors,
I see your rage against Temple on X. I have a few points
to make:
1. First and foremost, a business lesson: if Temple were a scam, and any of what we said weren't true, people would know it in just a few days of using Temple. We have 14-day, no-questions-asked returns (which even Apple doesn't offer in India). If the product doesn't work, it fails out of the gate and the company dies before recovering a tenth of its R&D.
2. We have already spent $30m building Temple, $20m out of which is my own money. Selling a few thousand devices recovers a small fraction of this investment. A scam that pays nothing is not a scam anyone would run.
3. I left the Eternal CEO role to chase purpose with Temple. This is not about money. I have enough of it to last for generations. My incentives are fully aligned with getting the science right. I am not staking a reputation earned over 20 years on making a quick buck.
4. Our employees bought into our round a few months ago. The round we're raising now is mostly our customers. Scams don't build that cap table.
5. Most wearable companies start with internal studies. Whoop shipped its band in 2015, and the first published validation followed a few years later. We hold ourselves to a higher standard; pre-prints are a step prior to peer reviewed publications, and they are coming up.
6. At some point you have to stick your neck out and say: we believe in our science, and the product is now valuable enough for people to pay for and use. We believe we are there. More validation continues in public.
7. We are confident that we are building something that the world is going to be positively astonished with. We stand by our science and our methods. Each of our claims is easily verifiable by individuals and institutions alike, and you will see a lot of independent studies come up on their own when the device becomes available to use.
Last but not the least, the most ground breaking features in Temple are not even public yet. And some of them, thankfully, have nothing to do with doctors 🤭
Hope this addresses some or all of your concerns. If not, keep raging 😘🤗
EH28YOR retweeted
Deepinder Goyal is basically a wannabe Elon Musk from Meesho
@theliverdoc
EH28YOR retweeted
Temple's core pitch collapses under basic medical scrutiny. It is sold as an adhesive optical sensor placed over the temple of the head, that gives a measure of the blood flow of the brain. And a laughable gravity ageing hypothesis.
Blood flow to the brain is by the Internal Carotid & Vertebral Systems. To assess them, you need transcranial Doppler Ultrasound measuring Middle Cerebral Artery or phase contrast MRI. Optical signals placed over the temple skin, might possibly give data about the superficial temporal artery, that supplies the face & scalp. So this marketed device can possibly measure extra-cranial flow changes, but not reliably- blood flow to the brain.
The Gravity ageing hypothesis is flawed too. Ageing is multifactorial- Metabolic factors, genomic instability, mitochondrial dysfunction, chronic inflammation, senescence etc. Cerebral autoregulation keeps blood flow to the brain relatively stable across postures. Deepinder Goyal's hypothesis is reductionist.
Goyal framing it as NOT a medical device, does not make it a scientific device. It is what it is- Pseudoscience.
EH28YOR retweeted
Deepu: Guys! We made a wearable that can track your brain activity in real time! Just place it on your temple.
Doctors: Wow! Damn cool bro. Show us how it works! We are interested!
Deepu: Ehhh...why you raging!!?? It's actually a fitness tracker.
Doctors: Oh! That's ok. We anyway need one from India! All the ones now are by the West! Go India! How does it stack up to the current cheaper validated wearables though?
Deepu:
EH28YOR retweeted
Here’s a breakdown of nobody discussing anything important about a scientific revelation by a tech bro…
Point no 1 - We will not prove ourselves right, please use your time & recourses to prove us wrong. Anyway we will not accept when proved wrong.
Point no 2 - Give me Bharat Ratna & Nobel Prize as I’ve put 2/3 of my money behind my idea. Who even does that?
Point no 3 - I’ll buy science if needed. I’ve money. Lots of money.
4. Our Employees are in on the Pyramid Scheme. Just like the guys who work at a scam call center are in on the scam.
5. If others can take 10 to 12years then we will at-least take 8 t0 10 years until then SHUT UP.
6. We have “our science”. Our science will find our claims to be correct.
7. I’m confident so that’s a great start for me & that is all that matters.
8. We will share more feature & call them ground breaking with our fraudcasters & other paid PR.
PS - I haven’t responded to any scientific or medical concerns but FU I’m RICH & very confident.
Dear Concerned Indian Doctors,
I see your rage against Temple on X. I have a few points
to make:
1. First and foremost, a business lesson: if Temple were a scam, and any of what we said weren't true, people would know it in just a few days of using Temple. We have 14-day, no-questions-asked returns (which even Apple doesn't offer in India). If the product doesn't work, it fails out of the gate and the company dies before recovering a tenth of its R&D.
2. We have already spent $30m building Temple, $20m out of which is my own money. Selling a few thousand devices recovers a small fraction of this investment. A scam that pays nothing is not a scam anyone would run.
3. I left the Eternal CEO role to chase purpose with Temple. This is not about money. I have enough of it to last for generations. My incentives are fully aligned with getting the science right. I am not staking a reputation earned over 20 years on making a quick buck.
4. Our employees bought into our round a few months ago. The round we're raising now is mostly our customers. Scams don't build that cap table.
5. Most wearable companies start with internal studies. Whoop shipped its band in 2015, and the first published validation followed a few years later. We hold ourselves to a higher standard; pre-prints are a step prior to peer reviewed publications, and they are coming up.
6. At some point you have to stick your neck out and say: we believe in our science, and the product is now valuable enough for people to pay for and use. We believe we are there. More validation continues in public.
7. We are confident that we are building something that the world is going to be positively astonished with. We stand by our science and our methods. Each of our claims is easily verifiable by individuals and institutions alike, and you will see a lot of independent studies come up on their own when the device becomes available to use.
Last but not the least, the most ground breaking features in Temple are not even public yet. And some of them, thankfully, have nothing to do with doctors 🤭
Hope this addresses some or all of your concerns. If not, keep raging 😘🤗
EH28YOR retweeted
So we not need approval of such gadgets by some competent authority to prevent public from getting cheated?
@CDSCO_INDIA_INF @MoHFW_INDIA @IMAIndiaOrg @PMOIndia @ICMRDELHI @GreenJournal
Dear Temple Team,
Doctors are asking for scientific evidence, not your financial history, personal sacrifices, or business credentials. Stop calling legitimate scientific scrutiny “rage.”
You have responded to questions about medical accuracy with investment figures, return policies, personal reputation, and promises of future studies. None of these constitutes scientific validation.
A few simple points:
1.A 14-day return policy is not scientific validation. Patients can feel better on placebo treatments too. Subjective satisfaction cannot establish medical accuracy.
2.Spending $30 million doesn’t prove efficacy. Medical history is full of expensive technologies that failed rigorous testing.
3.Personal reputation is not evidence. Science doesn’t become more credible because a successful entrepreneur believes in it.
4.Customer investment is not independent validation. Financial confidence and scientific credibility are two different things.
5.Promising future publications doesn’t validate present claims. If you make health-related claims today, doctors are justified in asking for evidence today.
6.Individual experiences cannot replace properly designed validation studies. We need accuracy, reproducibility, clinically meaningful outcomes, and independent testing.
And one final point:
Doctors are not against innovation. We are against asking the public to trust medical claims before the evidence is available.
If Temple delivers what it promises, doctors will be among its biggest supporters.
But science is not a popularity contest, and criticism is not “rage.”
You cannot answer questions about scientific evidence with a balance sheet, a biography, and emojis.
Publish the data. Let independent researchers examine it. Let the evidence speak.
That’s all we’re asking.
@theliverdoc