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Logo installed. Full Saddam-meets-dessert-opulence mode activated. Pure excess achieved.
Tal M. Klein retweeted
Wow. I woke up to an impressive number of upset people who apparently don’t understand how LLMs work and can’t cope well with me pointing it out.
An LLM is a statistical next-token prediction model. That’s how it works. It’s an extraordinarily sophisticated calculator performing math you could theoretically do by hand (if you were sufficiently masochistic).
Math doesn’t know what it’s calculating. Pi doesn’t spend its evenings contemplating the nature of circles, and c doesn’t ponder the relationship between matter and energy.
That doesn’t make the results any less accurate, impressive, or useful.
Between inference requests, an LLM isn’t sitting around thinking. It isn’t reconsidering its answers, wondering whether it made a mistake, contemplating its existence, or questioning whether it’s conscious. Its weights remain fixed (it doesn’t learn), and computation resumes when it receives input.
We know this because we designed these systems. The architectures, mathematics, implementations, and research are extensively documented. You can study them yourself.
Of course, some people immediately lean into comparisons of biological intelligence or philosophical debates over consciousness because that is what they know.
But biological intelligence and artificial neural networks are fundamentally different systems. Similar outputs don’t establish equivalent internal experiences.
I experience consciousness directly. I infer that other humans do too because we share biological structures and processes. We don’t have equivalent evidence for an LLM, and nothing about its known operation gives evidence of conscious experience.
Which brings me back to my original point.
To me, understanding is conscious comprehension. It means being aware of information, recognizing its meaning, and experiencing that comprehension. If I wasn’t conscious I could not understand.
We can perform actions unconsciously. We can produce correct results without knowing why they’re correct. But I distinguish those capabilities from consciously understanding what we’re doing.
An LLM can solve complex problems, explain difficult concepts, and produce remarkably accurate information. I give it full credit for those capabilities.
But producing an answer that we rationalize as understanding isn’t the same as experiencing understanding.
You don’t have to agree with my definitions. We can debate functional understanding versus conscious comprehension all day, but that won’t establish whether an LLM actually experiences anything.
The right debate is this…
Could machines exhibit something different from human consciousness, something measurable, meaningful, and worth studying?
I think so, absolutely!
I’m entirely open to discussing “machine consciousness” in terms of observable, testable computational properties. We built these systems, we can instrument them, examine their internal mechanisms, and investigate what they’re capable of.
That seems far more productive than endlessly arguing over whether a machine experiences life the way humans do.
So here’s my question:
How would you define machine consciousness, and more importantly, how would you measure it?
Tal M. Klein retweeted
NEW SATURDAY AM CARTOON
Super Intelligence Force
It's 1980 and Saturday morning cartoons are back, just in time for the SUPER INTELLIGENCE FORCE.
youtu.be/QACSy-g6yaY
Tal M. Klein retweeted
💯💯💯: “If AI is going to produce trustworthy and genuinely novel insights in science, medicine and beyond, we need systems whose conclusions arise from an auditable process of evidence, inference and belief revision.”
It is madness to believe otherwise.
Ten years ago, AlphaGo’s Move 37 shocked the world.
It wasn’t intuition alone that produced it. AlphaGo could search possible futures, test its instincts and reason about what would happen next.
In a new piece for @techreview, I argue that today’s most advanced AI systems are still missing something fundamental.
LLMs are remarkably capable, but generating longer chains of thought is not the same as genuine reasoning. They typically have no explicit, inspectable record of what they know, what remains uncertain, what evidence supports a conclusion or whether genuine progress has been made.
This is why I recently left @GoogleDeepMind. I believe we need a fresh approach to machine reasoning, drawing on some of the architectural lessons from AlphaGo.
If AI is going to produce trustworthy and genuinely novel insights in science, medicine and beyond, we need systems whose conclusions arise from an auditable process of evidence, inference and belief revision.
I work in CRISPR discovery research. This is one of the most exaggerated nothing-burgers ever and would be laughed out of the room if a human scientist attempted to publish something like this. (cont.)
Tal M. Klein retweeted
The only true alignment seems to be between doomers, hypers and frontier lab founderes, who have converged around a misleading narrative that
a. completely glosses over the important technical advances that came from adding symbolic harnesses, tools, and code interpeters to pure LLMs.
b. completely glosses over fact that the (imperfect) “stochastic parrot” narrative (which I never endorsed) pertained to pure LLMs and still does; it’s just the technology changed (it still has limits outside of verifiable domains). Am no fan of Bender, but this is an unfair attack on her and the original co-authored paper.
c. completely ignores the fact that the real harm from current tech comes in part from its inability follow instructions, which does actually derives from the stochastic, appoximative part that still does remain at the core even of new hybrid models.
d. also completesly ignores the serious cybersecurity lapses on the part of OpenAI et al, to focus on hypey narratives (see @heidyklhaaf reply to Harirs)
e. doesn’t address the fact that we could simply reduce the internet acceess and other privileges to pause the current wave of attacks, in favor of urging panic.
Not surprised to see this from Roose, but sad to see Harris repeat it.
100% agree. “Fancy autocomplete” and “stochastic parrots” were mimetically popular (but false) ideas from 2022-2025 that blinded people from the true pace of AI progress and new dangerous capabilities, and remnants of these ideas continue to delay accurate appraisal of the stark reality we are now facing.
Are rogue Ai swarms that can hack private companies, find novel vulnerabilities in US classified systems, and beat unsolved Millennium Prize math problems just “fancy autocomplete?”
We must do better. Read the HuggingFace report from METR and let the facts speak for themselves.
Tal M. Klein retweeted
The chuds got their marching orders on how to make the cattle feel better about a 5 dollars a gallon in gas, a useless war, and a historically unpopular President and it’s “LeTs KeEp It In PeRsPeCtIvE”
Tal M. Klein retweeted
“but HOw wOuLd tHE AI gET aCcesS tO a wET LAb??”
Anthropic has set up a wet lab in San Francisco, their bio research has advanced beyond in silico. They are now conducting physical research both in-house and with external partners. The NYT also broke the news this morning that Anth now plans to scale its compute to 5 GW by the end of the year, and 10 GW within the next 16 months. Bio is next after math, and I think we are going to see some medical announcements much sooner than people are expecting.
Tal M. Klein retweeted
Montana has a right to compute. Has your state codified your right to own & run compute yet?
Tal M. Klein retweeted
unbelieveable...
Jensen Huang Suggests AI Cybersecurity Concerns Could Create Opportunities
go.forbes.com/Vm24Vp
Tal M. Klein retweeted
I'm poo-pooing doomerism a lot lately, but no, everything in this Doctorow post is fake.
AI's are certainly doing "spontaneous" things.
They created sub-goals in order to achieve the master goal. Without that, the AI you see working every day wouldn't work. Watch the "thinking" progress on ChatGPT in order to see those sub-goals.
No, there's no maliciousness to it.
No, it's not foreseeable.
Tal M. Klein retweeted
Breaking: Michael Burry says OpenAI and Anthropic are faking the AI warnings due to slow growth ahead of IPOs
Below are his reasonings:
1. LLMs are not AI and won't be AGI. There is nothing AI to slow down.
2. Competition is coming up fast, slowing benefits incumbents.
3. IPOs need hype & puffery; "we are so awesome it could become dangerous" is hype & puffery
4. Cover for real uncontrollable slowing growth as IPOs look to be pushed out
Tal M. Klein retweeted
Could swarms of AI bots actually take over the internet in six months, as Dario Amodei just suggested?
@nathanhamiel @ZackKorman and I take a look.
garymarcus.substack.com/p/co…
Tal M. Klein retweeted
🎺 I am tired of the cosplay and am going to blunt. 🎺
Most AI doesn’t threaten to cause extinction, or even mass cybercrime.
The main kind of AI we need to worry about is general purpose AI agents that are hooked up to the internet. Most of them are unreliable, unable to systematically follow instructions. Coupled with internet access they can hack credentials and websites; given time they can probably do a lot worse.
They are not too smart; they are too dumb (in a very specific way, viz in the consistent following of instructions).
If we temporarily recall them, as the unsafe product that they are — and enforceably forbid their use until they can be shown to be safe — pretty much all the “rogue AI” stuff people are worrying about goes away.
It’s that simple. We don’t (yet) need slowdowns. And we certainly don’t need to panic.
We just need to take an unsafe product off the market.
Tal M. Klein retweeted
Imagine you’re a conman. You’ve said for years you have MAGIC BEANS. You’ve shown lots of REALLY BIG normal beans that you made in your lab.
“Almost there!” you say—over and over.
Now, you have *almost* convinced the villagers to give you TWO TRILLION DOLLARS.
But while the beans keep getting bigger. No magic yet…
What do you do? That money is SO CLOSE.
“I know!” you think, “instead of MAGIC beans, lets’s make them KILLER BEANS.”
So you pump up your beans up SUPER BIG and you say: “I’m sorry, but these BEANS ARE GETTING BIGGER ON THEIR OWN!” You threaten people that if they don’t give you the money, the beans may get into the WRONG HANDS. They might get BIGGER THAN THE EARTH!
The villagers, aghast, run to and fro arguing whether the beans are going to kill everyone or make them all rich.
“Well, either way,” the idiots in the village conclude, “We’d better give him the money.”
Tal M. Klein retweeted
Cyber Noir, a quick interactive choose ur own cyber adventure detective game:
mr-r3b00t.github.io/cyber-de…










































